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To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (3050)3/25/2007 10:18:59 AM
From: Mike McFarland  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25737
 
You are holding me to a higher standard than
you hold yourself.

<an intelligent and mature discussion>

I went through your posts, and I couldn't make
heads nor tails of a few of them. For instance,
what was that bit about the Antarctic growing?

Let's tackle that before we move on to what happened
65M years ago. Let's hold up a few of your posts to
scrutiny. I'm not sure I've said anything that is
out in left field, but you--the Antarctic growing?!

So here we go...

The Antarctic may eventually get bigger--if you mean
to say deeper. Snowfall could increase, what you might
expect to see with warming. The Antarctic is incredibly
cold and dry. But it hasn't happened yet. Hundreds of
years from now, if the planet warms up a lot, the Antarctic
will still be incredibly cold, but not quite as dry. Since
the snow doesn't melt there, the ice cap might get deeper,
and perhaps even expand outward.

You write...
"dummycrats blaming a very natural global phenomenon on
human activity"

It isn't about the Democrats. It is what climate scientists
are saying. Now, certainly, the Democrats will use global
warming to rile up their constituency...

Among climate scientists there is little disagreement
that global warming is primarily anthropogenic, but the
debate continues in the popular media and on a policy level.

en.wikipedia.org

But read on, getting back to my guess that global warming
is only half from co2...

According to the Stanford Solar Center, at most 25% of
recent global temperature variation can be attributed to
solar irradiance.
You never hear about solar, but
25% is a lot, maybe it is even greater than that!

Anyway, now we can return to what happened millions of
years ago: Solar irradiance was probably greater at
that time, or volcanoes were spewing out a lot of co2,
or even more likely both. I am not a climate scientist
and I have no agenda here because I do not mind if
it warms slightly in Seattle. The primary impact around
here, is that we have to ski 1000 feet higher on the
hill, which is not a big adjustment. It matters not to
me whether I am skiing higher because of a natural
cycle, or co2. I still ski.

The positions of the continents relative to the poles
is also important. Global climate is actually rather
complicated. Which means, politicians are likely to
be full of crap when they say they know what is going
to happen. And on that point, we probably agree.



To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (3050)3/25/2007 10:29:12 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 25737
 
Re: "55 million years ago, and it occurred WITHOUT human activity"

But... are the two proposed mechanisms related in any sense?

(I mean, the existence of one says NOTHING at all about the other....)