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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (81934)3/26/2007 4:52:08 PM
From: profile_14  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206179
 
Ethanol yield, derived from sugar cane yield in Brazil, is directly proportional to the soil quality. In Brazil most cane is grown in highly organic "terra roxa" or purple soil (because organic content is so high) in southeastern Brazil.

As in Florida, south of Lake Okeechobee, there is a lot of muck, organically rich, soil. Fertilizer always helps, but when you start with the right ingredients and weather, yields skyrocket and unit costs decline dramatically.

I would not make a bet on a significant decline in marginal cane productivity in Brazil just yet because where they are going, in the state of Mato Grosso, they have plenty of excellent conditions for growing sugar cane. Also, they use whatever is left of the molasses to spray fields as a form of fertilization since the byproduct is very high in organic content. Environmentalists in the USA would not permit it due to the high nitrogen content, but here we are talking about Brazil...

The impeding factor for growing cane in recently cleared land in the middle of the Amazon has not changed, and that is not the yield, but transportation costs. River barges are a huge plus, but railways are scarce and trucking it is uneconomical, dangerous, and at the end of the day, almost infeasible unless prices are high enough.



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (81934)3/28/2007 1:35:28 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 206179
 
This is a cleared forest: Coord. in Google earth:
3 52 10s 54 12 59w

Zoom in and out and see the scale. Tell who is winning, man or jungle.

Now that road east west in the Google map is called Transamazonica and look like this:







Do you think is economic to make anything in a place like this?



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (81934)3/28/2007 1:49:38 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 206179
 
this is sugar cane land: coord. Google earth. 21 11 52s 47 52 39w

Zooming, zoom out. See a city calle Sertaozinho on the west? Then look to Ribeirao Preto on the east.
This regiao alone, "account for approximately 25% of the national sugarcane, sugar and alcohol production"

Compare how far it is from the jungle

This is how we do this thing. This si the scale of this thing

fenasucro.com.br

We will finish Exxon, BP, Shell and and the whole Middle East.

It is unstopable!!



To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (81934)3/28/2007 3:28:13 PM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 206179
 
sugar cane area in Brazil is only 6/10% of 1%



and very very far from the forest.