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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (225351)	3/28/2007 9:51:07 AM
From: neolib	Respond to of 281500

The acceptance is the big thing, the rest can be negotiated. The Israelis want peace badly. So far the Arabs have just used peace as a lure to extract concessions while moving their own goalposts back, not forward. It is the big thing on one side. What is the big thing on the other side? Your reply illustrates the problem IMO.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (225351)	3/28/2007 9:57:31 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

80% Palestine has been government-owned since Ottoman times, which complicates this discussion. 'The Jews only owned 10%' sounds terrible, but you have to notice that the Arabs only owned about 15%. The rest belonged to the sultan, and passed to British, then Israeli hands If you want to look at it this way, then consider a time history of what was controlled by Islamic vs Jewish interests. No matter how you dice it, only a very small fraction of what Israel currently controls was purchased. The bulk of Israel was acquited by degree of foreign powers, or acquired as the spoils of war.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (225351)	3/28/2007 10:53:26 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

"The acceptance is the big thing, the rest can be negotiated. The Israelis want peace badly. So far the Arabs have just used peace as a lure to extract concessions while moving their own goalposts back, not forward." Thats why there is some hope in the saudi initiative and little hope in what palestinians say whether hamas or fatah. Arabs states give acceptance and in some manner need to control the terrorism. Do you think that E.Jerusalem ever becomes negotiable under such circumstances? I think that may be the key with getting the Saudi plan off the ground. Right of return can morph into symbolistic return of a few elderly former residents but EJ is the crux of it all. If that is true that is progress as ROR which is impossible becomes moot while EJ becomes the symbolic ROR in a sense.