SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Pastimes : Understanding Islam -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: uu who wrote (2861)4/4/2007 10:13:30 AM
From: Ichy Smith  Respond to of 2926
 
The difference between me and the people I am discussing is that I realise the folly of killing all those young men.

Today you think of the Muslims of age 16-25 to be the problem. Today Muslims call all people of non-Muslim faith to be the problem. And lets assume one group of people completely destroys the other. Then what? Whom do you consider to be the problem group next? Once you eliminate that which your hate is based upon, then what would be the next driving force and purpose of your life?

One cannot possibly destroy all of a group, look how islam failed with the Armenians, they slaughtered 1.5 million of them, and still there are Armenians. Why you would believe I hate Muslims I don't know, they are simply an interesting problem that our society faces. Frankly I am tempted to let Liberals deal with it, if only to see the look on their faces, when their precious Sacred Cows are demolished.

Nazi Germany tried to eliminate the Jews. That was their entire purpose in life. It is said some of their top SS generals philosophically asked Hitler what would the purpose of their existence be once the very driving force for their existence is gone (and that being their hate for the Jews and their single focused mission in life to eliminate them - since once they all are eliminated then they have no one to hate). And Hitler did not know what to tell them - except indirectly implying there would always be someone to hate and hence the driving force for their existence would continue to be as strong as ever!

Since Islam was intimately involved with the nazis I would say they are the inheritors of the dream.

Frankly we need to discuss the options, all of the options, and we need to talk about them openly. Why openly, because islam needs to understand all the options are on the table.



To: uu who wrote (2861)4/4/2007 1:10:22 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Respond to of 2926
 
Grant Fraud and Al Qaeda Connections in Nashville

Dear Darren,

Grant Fraud and al Qaeda connections in Nashville

By Jerry Gordon and Lyn Andrea Andersen

Nashville is an exemplar of the 'global interior' - the phenomenon of refugee immigration to cities in the U.S. heartland - in a recent Carnegie Reporter article entitled "New Immigrants in New Places." Tennessee's capitol has been called a "blue city in a red state." Between 1990 and 1999 the foreign born population grew by over 203% from less than 13,000 to more than 40,000 out of the consolidated Nashville-Davidson population of over 607,000. Foreign born residents in Nashville now account for one in seven residents.

The growth in Nashville's immigrant population was a product of a Clinton Administration initiative in the 1990's by the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) to vector refugees away from the traditional gateway cities to the nation's interior. It was also part of a conscious plan by Nashville and Tennessee business leaders led by former Mayor now Governor Phil Bredersen to attract new industries to the region. Employers like Nissan, the Saturn division of GM, Dell Computers, Hospital Corporation of America and the Opryland resort and hotel complex created over 260,000 new jobs in the Metro region in the decade o f the 1990's. Unemployment remains dramatically low in the Nashville metro area. Many immigrants filled low end manual jobs. However, about one fifth of these immigrants still live below the national poverty levels.

Nashville is ranked 1st among major American cities in terms of the per capita proportion of foreign born residents.

In Nashville, the influx of immigrants brought Kurds from Iraq, Iranians, Iraqi Christians and Muslims, Egyptians, Ethiopians, South Sudanese Christians, and Somalis. There are also significant Mexican, Lao, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Korean, and other South East Asian communities. The Nashville based Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition led the charge for securing state legislation providing driver license tests in multiple languages and, later, driving certificates for undocumented immigrants.

All is not sweetness and light in Nashville - the home of the Opryland and Rhinestone cowboys - between the Muslim and general communities. Among the Nashville Muslim immigrant community there is evidence of infiltration by Islamist elements and leaders, including an active Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) chapter. In sharp contrast, the local Kurdish community of over 9,000, the Sudanese Christian one that numbers 8,000, and large Iraqi and Iranian émigré communities are overwhelming committed to core American values.

In late February, 2007 , a Somali Muslim immigrant cabdriver ran down two fares - a Vanderbilt college student and his visitor from Ohio- after a heated argument about Hitler and the Holocaust.

In June, 2005 , the Somali Muslim émigré community via CAIR demanded and got an audience with Mayor Bill Purcell, Metro Police, and 30 other agency heads after an alleged desecration of a Quran.

In March, 2005 , 30 Somali Muslim workers demanded prayer time while on the job at Dell facilities in the Capitol city. They were let go only to be reinstated after CAIR and the Metro Human Relations Commission intervened.

Nashville now boasts six Mosques for the growing Muslim community. Last year when the Danish Cartoons controversy erupted around the world , a special forum was convened in Nashville to discuss it. The gathering included revered former editor and publisher of the Nashville Tennessean, John Siegenthaler, representatives of the ACLU and was moderated by the Dean of the VanderbiltDivinitySchool. The panel included a leader in the local Muslim community, Dr. Awad Benhazim. Dr. Binhazim is a member of the board of the Islamic Center of Nashville. The Imam of the Islamic Center of Nashville is Abdulhakim Ali Mohamed. Binhazin was reported to have said at the meeting that "We are blessed to have someone of his caliber." Ali Mohamed has a bachelor's degree in Sharia (Islamic law) from the Islamic University of Medina and, before coming to Nashville in 1998, he was Imam a t the notorious al-Qaeda connected al-Farouq Masjid mosque in Brooklyn.

Another Imam in Nashville at the Al-Farooq Mosque, Abdishakur Ibrahim, was at the center of several controversies including the alleged Quran desecration, the Dell prayer time kerfuffle, and shutdown of a Halal food supermarket owned by him because the USDA found suspicious financial activities.

Abdishakur Ibrahim left Nashville under mysterious circumstances via Canada to Kenya in early July 2005. The timing and circumstances of his sudden departure became subject to counter terrorism inquiries.

The Somali Muslim immigrant community has been manipulated by the Islamists in Nashville. This has led to a serious matter of possible fraud in an important federal grant from the Office of Minority Health (OMH) of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) for alleviation of mental health problems including abuse and violence against women. A recent U.S. Department of Justice (USDOJ) grant to aid African Refugee Victims of Crime may also be at risk. This alleged fraud was perpetrated by the head of the Somali Community Center of Nashville (SCCN) Abdirizak Musse Hassan. Hassan was convicted in a plea bargain in Federal court in 2006 of a misdemeanor for 'false statements' in a five year long probe of the Somali dominated Al-Barakaat Hawala Islamic money transfer network by the U.S. Treasury - IRS and the Counter Terrorism Task Force of the FBI.

The Al-Barakaat money transfer investigations were prompted by allegations that funds repatriated to Somalia by the system - some $40 million annually- were diverted to al Qaeda. Hassan's indictment was one of four brought by federal prosecutors in the U.S. The Al-Barakaat money transfer system was closed.

Amazingly Hassan throughout this federal investigation, while under indictment, became the Executive Director of the SCCN and the grants director on numerous federal grants from the ORR, OMH and DOJ.

There is documented evidence that Hassan failed to implement the original purposes of the OMH grant - mental health outreach and alleviation of women's abuse and violence including genital mutilation practices in the Nashville Somali community. He diverted the funds to employ the Imam of the Al-Farooq Mosque, Abdishakur Ibrahim and replaced Abdishakur Ibrahim (following his mysterious departure) with the Treasurer of the Al Farooq Mosque, Salaad Nur.

There were reports that the Al-Farooq Mosque engaged in support of Islamist proselytizing. Competent Somali women were shunted aside from participating in the OMH mental health and violence prevention grant program. This program was originally designed to support both African and Middle Eastern origin Muslim, primarily women, in Nashville. There is some alleged evidence that Somali children have actually been taken on 'vacations' to Africa where female genital mutilation procedures were performed.

This alleged fraud was facilitated in part by federal HHS OMH bureaucratic bungling.

The original OMH grant was filed in June of 2004 by a collaborative partnership in the immigrant community composed of Kurds, Somalis, and Iraqis. The award was made in October of that year. However, in February of 2005, the OMH notified the grantees that Kurds and Iraqis were not 'eligible' for services because they did not meet the definitions of 'minorities' under Federal regulations. Minorities under the Federal code that applies to the OMH program include those of "African descent, Asian, Hispanics, Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders." In effect those of Middle Eastern origin were excluded from both the grant program services and the original sponsoring partnership collaborative. That left the Muslim Somalis who were encouraged to find a new grant partner. One Sudanese Christian outreach specialist was added to the grant in April 2005 and was allocat ed approximately 10% of the grant budget.

Shortly after receipt of the OMH letter in February 2005, the original grant partners, excepting the Somalis, went to Nashville Democratic Congressman, Jim Cooper to lodge an inquiry into 'unfair discrimination.' Cooper's staff exchanged correspondence with the OMH in Rockville, Maryland, only to be told that the Kurdish and Iraqi collaborative partners 'didn't qualify.'

When evidence of the fraudulent diversion of OMH mental health grant funds by Hassan was presented to the Inspector General's office of HHS it was deemed not a priority in light of the IG's overwhelming caseload of Medicare and Medicaid fraud. In effect the $450,000 OMH grant to the SCCN was considered the equivalent of 'small potatoes.' The evidence was then taken to the Metro Nashville Police Counter Terrorism Division. The latter suggested the evidence be reviewed by the Joint Task Force on Terrorism of the Immigration Custom Enforcement (ICE) office of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). A Joint Task Force specialist on Somali Community matters was assigned by the DHS Joint Task Force to investigate. The matter was then transferred to an FBI Special Agent engaged in white collar crime and grant fraud. After a 10 month effort going through channels at local, state and federal levels the comment from an FBI special agent was 'to destroy the evidence' because 'there wasn't much of a case.' All this despite evidence that the OMH grant was not implemented as intended. Instead the funds were being used for unlawful purposes including religious indoctrination and possible support of al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

The other OMH grant partners - the Kurds, Iraqis and Sudanese - were fearful that if the fraud disclosures were unveiled there would be a backlash from the general community who may become 'outraged' by this unlawful diversion of significant federal support for integration of the new immigrants in Nashville.

The sad part about this is that such a scandal could easily be duplicated in other major cities in the so-called "Global Interior" like Atlanta, Detroit, Minneapolis even Memphis in Tennessee. All because local and federal counter-terrorism cadres are both feckless and intimidated by the guidelines from superiors in their law enforcement and homeland security agencies to be 'sensitive' to Muslim advocacy groups complaints of possible religious profiling. It is also possible that the SCCN and OMH grant program director Hassan, may have cut a deal with the federal prosecutors for a lesser misdemeanor plea bargain, as opposed to a multi count felony, in hopes that the Federal authorities might use him as a hook into "bigger fish up the food chain." Hassan's alleged fraud and violation of other federal laws may be viewed by federal counter terrorism specia lists as a small price to pay in the quest for information on the al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas cells in America.

After all the federal prosecutors sealed the records in the Hassan Al-Barakaat matter.

Abdirizak Hassan, the SNCC executive director, is currently serving a federal probation sentence. He continues to direct and manage large federal grants. Salaad Nur, the Treasurer of the Al-Farooq Mosque, continues to be the mental health and domestic violence outreach specialist paid out of the OMH federal grant. SCCN is now the dominant refugee-led service agency left in Nashville. Other African and Middle Eastern refugee service agencies were either downsized or closed due to the lack of government support and funding. So why are federal authorities turning a blind eye to apparent fraud and the diversion of funds by leaders in t he Nashville Somali refugee community with suspected terrorist connections? Stay tuned for further developments in this story. It has legs.

Mr. Gordon is a Member of the Board of American Congress for Truth and Ms. Andersen is an independent counter-terrorism analyst
--------------------------------------------------------------
Everyday, American Congress for Truth (ACT) is a 501c3 non profit organization on the front lines fighting for you in meeting with politicians, decision makers, speaking on college campuses and planning events to educate and inform the public about the threat of radical Muslim fundamentalists to world peace. We are committed to combating the global upsurge of hate and intolerance.



To: uu who wrote (2861)5/12/2007 1:34:37 PM
From: DeplorableIrredeemableRedneck  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 2926
 
What Did Muhammad Say? Who Knows?
In a new book, world-renowned iconoclast and atheist Christopher Hitchens presents his brief against God and those who worship Him. His conclusion:Whether in the form of Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism or Wicca, "religion poisons everything"
Christopher Hitchens, National Post
Published: Wednesday, May 09, 2007
There is some question as to whether Islam is a separate religion at all. It initially fulfilled a need among Arabs for a distinctive or special creed, and is forever identified with their language and their impressive later conquests, which, while not as striking as those of the young Alexander of Macedonia, certainly conveyed an idea of being backed by a divine will until they petered out at the fringes of the Balkans and the Mediterranean. But Islam when examined is not much more than a rather obvious and ill-arranged set of plagiarisms, helping itself from earlier books and traditions as occasion appeared to require. Thus, far from being "born in the clear light of history," as Ernest Renan so generously phrased it, Islam in its origins is just as shady and approximate as those from which it took its borrowings. It makes immense claims for itself, invokes prostrate submission or "surrender" as a maxim to its adherents, and demands deference and respect from non-believers into the bargain. There is nothing-- absolutely nothing--in its teachings that can even begin to justify such arrogance and presumption.

The Prophet died in the year 632 of our own approximate calendar. The first account of his life was set down a full 120 years later by Ibn Ishaq, whose original was lost and can only be consulted through its reworked form, authored by Ibn Hisham, who died in 834. Adding to this hearsay and obscurity, there is no agreed-upon account of how the Prophet's followers assembled the Koran, or of how his various sayings (some of them written down by secretaries) became codified. And this familiar problem is further complicated -- even more than in the Christian case -- by the matter of succession. Unlike Jesus, who apparently undertook to return to Earth very soon and who (pace the absurd Dan Brown) left no known descendants, Muhammad was a general and a politician and -- though, unlike Alexander of Macedonia, a prolific father -- left no instruction as to who was to take up his mantle. Quarrels over the leadership began almost as soon as he died, and so Islam had its first major schism--between the Sunni and the Shia -- before it had even established itself as a system. We need take no side in the schism, except to point out that one at least of the schools of interpretation must be quite mistaken. And the initial identification of Islam with an earthly caliphate, made up of disputatious contenders for the said mantle, marked it from the very beginning as manmade.

It is said by some Muslim authorities that during the first caliphate of Abu Bakr, immediately after Muhammad's death, concern arose that his orally transmitted words might be forgotten. So many Muslim soldiers had been killed in battle that the number who had the Koran safely lodged in their memories had become alarmingly small. It was therefore decided to assemble every living witness, together with "pieces of paper, stones, palm leaves, shoulder-blades, ribs and bits of leather" on which sayings had been scribbled, and give them to Zaid ibn Thabit, one of the Prophet's former secretaries, for an authoritative collation. Once this had been done, the believers had something like an authorized version.

If true, this would date the Koran to a time fairly close to Muhammad's own life. But we swiftly discover that there is no certainty or agreement about the truth of the story. Some say that it was Ali -- the fourth and not the first caliph, and the founder of Shiism -- who had the idea. Many others -- the Sunni majority -- assert that it was Caliph Uthman, who reigned from 644 to 656, who made the finalized decision. Told by one of his generals that soldiers from different provinces were fighting over discrepant accounts of the Koran, Uthman ordered Zaid ibn Thabit to bring together the various texts, unify them and have them transcribed into one. When this task was complete, Uthman ordered standard copies to be sent to Kufa, Basra, Damascus and elsewhere, with a master copy retained in Medina. Uthman thus played the canonical role that had been taken, in the standardization and purging and censorship of the Christian Bible, by Irenaeus and by Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria. The roll was called, and some texts were declared sacred and inerrant while others became "apocryphal." Outdoing Athanasius, Uthman ordered that all earlier and rival editions be destroyed.

Even supposing this version of events to be correct, which would mean that no chance existed for scholars ever to determine or even dispute what really happened in Muhammad's time, Uthman's attempt to abolish disagreement was a vain one. The written Arabic language has two features that make it difficult for an outsider to learn: It uses dots to distinguish consonants like "b" and "t," and in its original form it had no sign or symbol for short vowels, which could be rendered by various dashes or comma-type marks. Vastly different readings even of Uthman's version were enabled by these variations. Arabic script itself was not standardized until the later part of the ninth century, and in the meantime the undotted and oddly voweled Koran was generating wildly different explanations of itself, as it still does. This might not matter in the case of the Iliad, but remember that we are supposed to be talking about the unalterable (and final) word of God. There is obviously a connection between the sheer feebleness of this claim and the absolutely fanatical certainty with which it is advanced. To take one instance that can hardly be called negligible, the Arabic words written on the outside of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem are different from any version that appears in the Koran.

The situation is even more shaky and deplorable when we come to the hadith, or that vast, orally generated secondary literature which supposedly conveys the sayings and actions of Muhammad, the tale of the Koran's compilation and the sayings of "the companions of the Prophet." Each hadith, in order to be considered authentic, must be supported in turn by an isnad, or chain, of supposedly reliable witnesses. Many Muslims allow their attitude to everyday life to be determined by these anecdotes: regarding dogs as unclean, for example, on the sole ground that Muhammad is said to have done so.

As one might expect, the six authorized collections of hadith, which pile hearsay upon hearsay through the unwinding of the long spool of isnads ("A told B, who had it from C, who learned it from D"), were put together centuries after the events they purport to describe. One of the most famous of the six compilers, Bukhari, died 238 years after the death of Muhammad. Bukhari is deemed unusually reliable and honest by Muslims, and seems to have deserved his reputation in that, of the 300,000 attestations he accumulated in a lifetime devoted to the project, he ruled that 200,000 of them were entirely valueless and unsupported. Further exclusion of dubious traditions and questionable isnads reduced his grand total to 10,000 hadith. You are free to believe, if you so choose, that out of this formless mass of illiterate and half-remembered witnessing the pious Bukhari, more than two centuries later, managed to select only the pure and undefiled ones that would bear examination.

The likelihood that any of this humanly derived rhetoric is "inerrant," let alone "final," is conclusively disproved not just by its innumerable contradictions and incoherencies but by the famous episode of the Koran's alleged "satanic verses," out of which Salman Rushdie was later to make a literary project. On this much discussed occasion, Muhammad was seeking to conciliate some leading Meccan polytheists and in due course experienced a "revelation" that allowed them after all to continue worshipping some of the older local deities. It struck him later that this could not be right and that he must have inadvertently been "channelled" by the Devil, who for some reason had briefly chosen to relax his habit of combating monotheists on their own ground. (Muhammad believed devoutly not just in the Devil himself but in minor desert devils, or djinns, as well.) It was noticed even by some of his wives that the Prophet was capable of having a "revelation" that happened to suit his short-term needs, and he was sometimes teased about it. We are further told -- on no authority that need be believed -- that when he experienced revelation in public he would sometimes be gripped by pain and experience loud ringing in his ears. Beads of sweat would burst out on him, even on the chilliest of days. Some heartless Christian critics have suggested that he was an epileptic (though they fail to notice the same symptoms in the seizure experienced by Paul on the road to Damascus), but there is no need for us to speculate in this way. It is enough to rephrase David Hume's unavoidable question. Which is more likely -- that a man should be used as a transmitter by God to deliver some already existing revelations, or that he should utter some already existing revelations and believe himself to be, or claim to be, ordered by God to do so? As for the pains and the noises in the head, or the sweat, one can only regret the seeming fact that direct communication with God is not an experience of calm, beauty and lucidity. - Reprinted with permission from God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, by Christopher Hitchens. Copyright 2007 by Christopher Hitchens. Published in Canada by McLelland & Stewart.

canada.com