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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Road Walker who wrote (1616)4/5/2007 2:08:49 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 42652
 
That's the author's OPINION- -not a fact. There are many ways of rationing it; we use one, other countries use others. Previous to the 20th century, this made no difference. Or a negative one; you were probably better off not seeing doctors. They were more likely harm than help.

As to life expectancy, GIVE ME A BREAK! That is possibly the worst measure of medical effectiveness ever invented, The fact is that relatively inexpensive public health measures are far more effective in reducing mortality than all the docs in a country. Providing a clean water supply, public sanitation service, and vector control has enormous effects. Did you know the American South used to be plagued with malaria? And New York City had frequent malaria outbreaks?

And have you forgotten medical error? If you don't get involved with the medical system, you don't risk it.

This comparison also ignores immigration and its source. We take in - LEGALLY - 10X the percentages of immigrants France does. And many of ours are poorly educated and have little understanding of disease causes and hygiene. The situation with the massive number of illegal immigrants we get is even worse, but they count against our life expectancy and mortality statistics.

Overall, it would appear that over the past decade immigration has contributed directly to a population increase of nearly 500,000 people.

At the time of the 1999 census, France's population included 3.26 million foreigners and 4.3 million immigrants (2), of whom some had acquired French nationality. Between 1990 and 1999, the number of immigrants rose by 3%, i.e. at the same rate as for the population as a whole. As a result of naturalizations (3), the number of foreigners aged over 18 has remained virtually stable.

ambafrance-us.org

That's an average of 50,000 people a year. The population of France is 60.7M. 0.08%.

As of 2006, the United States accepts more legal immigrants as permanent residents than the rest of the world combined.
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Immigration boomed to a 57.4% increase in foreign born population from 1990 to 2000. The public started to focus on existing immigration law and immigration outside the law, especially the 7.5+ million illegal alien workers with 12+ million household members already inside the U.S. and another 700,000 to perhaps more than 850,000 predicted for each coming year.
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The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965 (the Hart-Cellar Act), passed by a Democratic controlled Congress, abolished the system of national-origin quotas. Over 28,000,000 have legally immigrated since 1965 under its provisions.

42 years ago. 28 million. Approximately 700,000 legal immigrants per year. 14X France's.

Legal Mexican immigrant family numbers were 2,198,000 in 1980, 4,289,000 in 1990 (includes IRCA) and 7,841,000 in 2000. Adding in another 12,000,000 illegals of which about 80% are thought to be Mexicans would bring the Mexican family total to over 16,000,000 -- about 16% of the Mexican population.
About half that 28M. Or a million a year. 21X France's. Mostly poor and uneducated.

But
The Immigration and Nationality Act Amendments of 1965 removed quotas on large segments of the immigration flow and legal immigration to the U.S. surged. The number of legal immigrants rose from about 2.5 million in the 1950s to 4.5 million in the 1970s to 7.3 million in the 1980s to about 10 million in the 1990s. In 2006, legal immigrants to the United States number approximately 1,000,000 legal immigrants per year of which about 600,000 are Change of Status immigrants who already are in the U.S. Legal immigrants to the United States are at their highest level ever at over 35,000,000. Net illegal immigration also soared from about 130,000 per year in the 1970s, to 300,000+ per year in the 1980s to over 500,000 per year in the 1990s to over 700,000 per year in the 2000s. Total illegal immigration may be as high as 1,500,000 per year [in 2006] with a net of at least 700,000 more illegal immigrants arriving each year to join the 12,000,000 to 20,000,000 that are already here. (Pew Hispanic Data Estimates[14]) (See: Illegal immigration to the United States)
1.5M a year plus 20M already here.

What do you think would happen to US longevity statistics if we imported all of Africa?

Maybe you ought to stay off this subject. You appear to not begin to understand its complexities. You simply want to steal from those who have more than you. And you don't even have the guts to do it yourself- -you want the gov't to do it for you.