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Strategies & Market Trends : 2026 TeoTwawKi ... 2032 Darkest Interregnum -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TobagoJack who wrote (16557)	4/5/2007 9:28:23 PM
From: 8bits	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217753

well, let's agree that vietnam is under communism with pragmatic chinese characteristics It's under a dictatorship (or oligopoly..) and is "communist" in name only, land is freely traded (between ethnic Vietnamese not foreigners but that's most of Asia..), no collective farms, fewer state industries per capita than Europe. Less socialized medicine than the US. Pictures of Ho Chi Minh around like you find pictures of George Washington in the US. Neither country reflects the ideals of the guys in the pictures, Vietnam even less so than the US. I would say they chose the Taiwanese and Singaporean way first, then mainland Chinese way... trade relations were first established with Taiwan. Only in the last decade has the border between China and Vietnam become firmly established. Trade between China and Vietnam was exceeded by trade between Vietnam and Taiwan until the mid 90s. Vietnam (as with most of Eastern Europe..) reformed because the Soviet Union cut off 3 billion dollars in aid in 1989. so, mission to save vietnam from colonial and colonial wanna-be was clearly a success I'll repeat if the US mission was to colonize (and they didn't enter VN until 11 years after the French left..) why didn't the US retain the Philippines as a colony..? Why didn't they try to colonize India, Burma, Malaysia, or Indonesia after the colonial powers left...? otoh, cambodia is still a sovereign nation, even though it had engaged with vietnam, thus, mission accomplished The Chinese invasion of Vietnam ended in March 16, 1979, the Vietnamese left in December of 1989. If you mean mission accomplished in regards to the Vietnamese removing Pol Pot from power, stopping murderous border incursions, and stopping the ,killing fields, you are correct the Vietnamese mission was accomplished. The Vietnamese never made statements about turning Cambodia into a colony or annexing it and pointedly stated they would depart when the Khmer Rouge threat was diminished. If the Chinese "mission accomplished" was to kill many Vietnamese civilians and soldiers as well as Chinese soldiers and find out it's military structure and equipment was archaic and fail to reach Hanoi....then by those measures then yes they succeeded. en.wikipedia.org "The Ba Chuc Massacre was carried out by the regular soldiers of Democratic Kampuchea's army on April 18, 1978. Of the 3,157 civilians who had lived in Ba Chuc, only two survived the massacre. The attack was one of the events that prompted the Vietnamese invasion of Kampuchea." iht.com I'll reiterate, how do you think the Vietnamese should have responded to a murderer like Pol Pot, who made repeat border incursions into Vietnam and was murdering it's citizenry (and well as his own..)...? How would China respond to a country which made repeat border incursions, slaughtered it's citizens, and refused repeatedly to discuss anything with China about it's actions...? Since the Soviet Army is no longer a threat in Eastern Europe or to Germany should the Germans give a shout out to "mission accomplished" for their efforts in WWII...? Of course the year 1989 (the year Vietnam pull out of Cambodia..) also corresponds to the year that the Soviets cut off aid to the Vietnamese so likely that had a strong influence in their decision also.