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To: energyplay who wrote (82614)4/6/2007 7:22:47 AM
From: elmatador  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 206322
 
See one effect of a city moving from Phase 1 to phase two:

Pittsburgh

Historical populations
Census Pop. %±
1810 4,768 –
1820 7,248 52.0%
1830 12,568 73.4%
1840 21,115 68.0%
1850 46,601 120.7%
1860 49,221 5.6%
1870 86,076 74.9%
1880 156,389 81.7%
1890 238,617 52.6%
1900 321,616 34.8%
1910 533,905 66.0%
1920 588,343 10.2%
1930 669,817 13.8%
1940 671,659 0.3%
1950 676,806 0.8%
1960 604,332 -10.7%
1970 520,117 -13.9%
1980 423,938 -18.5%
1990 369,879 -12.8%
2000 334,563 -9.5%

ELMAT: See how population stagnated by two decades and then went into reverse.

The growth of Pittsburgh and its economy was caused by the extensive trade of steel. Since, Pittsburgh has adapted to the collapse of the region's steel industry.

As it moved, it shrunk:

The primary industries have shifted more to high technology, such as robotics, health care, nuclear engineering, tourism, biomedical technology, finance, and services. Education is also a major employer, from primary through magnet schools, specialized professional institutes and highly-ranked universities.




To: energyplay who wrote (82614)4/6/2007 7:28:19 AM
From: elmatador  Respond to of 206322
 
Now a city moving from phase 2 to phase 3:

Flint, Michigan
Historical populations
Census Pop. %±
1860 2,950 –
1870 5,386 82.6%
1880 8,409 56.1%
1890 9,803 16.6%
1900 13,103 33.7%
1910 38,550 194.2%
1920 91,599 137.6%
1930 156,492 70.8%
1940 151,543 -3.2%
1950 163,413 7.8%
1960 196,940 20.5%
1970 193,317 -1.8%
1980 159,611 -17.4%
1990 140,761 -11.8%
2000 124,471 -11.6%
Est. 2005 118,551 -4.8%

ELMAT: See the population of a car-city going down out of phase with Pittsburgh steel-city.



To: energyplay who wrote (82614)4/7/2007 9:05:46 PM
From: Think4Yourself  Respond to of 206322
 
Detroit is very bad right now. Detroit is in Wayne County, which has been the number one county in the country for foreclosures for awhile now. I see foreclosure auction signs on a regular basis now, and housing is totally dead at the high end. There were for sale signs everywhere last fall. Most are gone now and did not sell. Too late to sell now. Best to ride it out and hope for better times as Southeast Michigan is currently officially in recession.

Kerkorian just made a bid to buy Chrysler, which the German parent is desperate to get rid of. Kerkorian will probably dismantle Chrysler and sell off the parts. I have had some conversations with insiders that I cannot go into but the consensus is that Kerkorian will do very well while the American workers will get the shaft.

On the positive side, I am hearing upbeat comments from folks in GM.