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To: Keith Feral who wrote (226628)4/10/2007 10:11:09 AM
From: epicure  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I agree with you.

Since mainstream culture often copies black culture- in styles of clothing, comedy, music and dance, it's not a surprise that mainstream culture copies black language. If you know teens, and I'm sure most of you do, you know how black slang shows up pretty quickly in mainstream teen culture. I think it's very hard to have black comedians and musicians using the "n" word, and calling women bitches and hos, and not have that blowback in to mainstream culture.

Now white people should know they aren't members of the club who can use the n word with impunity, and that there are certain linguistic styles in the black community they cannot copy- but I think that's a very nuanced thing, and certainly something that could be lost in the heat of comedic repartee on a shock jocks show. And I'd be hard pressed to say it makes you racist to copy the black style of speaking. It makes you stupid to think you can get away with it- but racist?

I hope this incident makes folks like Sharpton take a good hard look at the black community, and it's cultural icons, and the language used by some of those icons. I won't hold my breath, though. It's must easier to attack whitee for copying the language of the black comics and rappers, and to call that racism, than to look at it for what it really is- a white entertainer copying black entertainers and their incredibly disrespectful language about women, and being attacked for the very same langauge they use all the time, as if he made it up, and it was somehow different in the mouth of a white man. I find that language horrible no matter who says it. Women are not "hos"- unless they are actually in the profession of servicing men for sex.



To: Keith Feral who wrote (226628)4/10/2007 5:12:15 PM
From: geode00  Respond to of 281500
 
"Who is going to defend the rights of the white people against black racists."

We've barely had a single generation since civil rights. One middle aged woman remembers walking through crowds as a kid just to get into school. She was spit upon (by adults) so often that she had to wring the spit out of her clothing.

Since whites are still by far the dominant 'race' in the USA, whining by whites is absurd and rather pathetic. In another generation when there is no dominant 'race' here then everyone can proceed to whine.

At any rate, I'd rather put up with stupid-talk than further erode freedom of speech.