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To: Garden Rose who wrote (226755)	4/11/2007 4:55:22 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 281500

Not unless he did something to deserve being on it. But more likely, he joins the David Nelsons of the world on it.

To: Garden Rose who wrote (226755)	4/11/2007 5:10:19 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This song reminds me of reunions and if anyone ever invites me to a reunion I hope we get to sing it together... Those were the days Gene raskin ONCE UPON A TIME THERE WAS A TAVERN WHERE WE USED TO RAISE A GLASS OR TWO. REMEMBER HOW WE LAUGHED AWAY THE HOURS THINK OF ALL THE GREAT THINGS WE WOULD DO. CHORUS: THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIEND, WE THOUGHT THEY'D NEVER END WE'D SING AND DANCE FOR EVER AND A DAY WE'D LIVE THE LIFE WE'D CHOOSE WE'D FIGHT AND NEVER LOSE FOR WE WERE YOUNG AND SURE TO HAVE OUR WAY......LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA. THOSE WERE THE DAYS, OH YES, THOSE WERE THE DAYS THEN THE BUSY YEARS WENT RUSHING BY US, WE LOST OUR STARRY NOTIONS ON THE WAY. IF BY CHANCE I'D SEE YOU IN THE TAVERN WE'D SMILE AT ONE ANOTHER AND WE'D SAY, CHORUS JUST TONIGHT I STOOD BEFORE THE TAVERN NOTHING SEEMED THE WAY IT USED TO BE IN THE GLASS I SAW A STRANGE REFLECTION WAS THAT LONELY WOMAN/MAN REALLY ME? CHORUS THROUGH THE DOOR THERE CAME FAMILIAR LAUGHTER. I SAW YOUR FACE AND HEARD YOU CALL MY NAME , OH MY FREIND WE'RE OLDER BUT NO WISER , FOR IN OUR HEARTS THE DREAMS ARE STILL THE SAME.............. CHORUS

To: Garden Rose who wrote (226755)	4/11/2007 5:11:03 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 281500

Here's something on it which makes sense... Monday, April 09, 2007 Questioning the 'Professor On Watchlist for Free Speech' Story Respected law professor Walter F. Murphy got flagged when flying and was told by an airport counter official that he was likely put on the watchlist because he was critical of the Administration's Iraq war. His suspicions were furthered heightened on his return flight, where he wasn't flagged for extra screening but his luggage was lost. His story is up on Balkin and reblogged by BoingBoing. Threat Level is here to tell you that's it's 99.9 percent sure the good professor isn't on any government watchlist for giving a speech. I have no idea why the counterperson would say that individuals are put on the list for joining anti-war protests, but that's just not true. The key question to ask about cases where children or nuns or Senators or peace activists get selected for extra screening is: Evil or Incompetent? Woe be it for this blog to defend the country's foolish watchlist system, but after having spent more than four years reporting on watchlists, filing Freedom of Information Act requests, and talking with persons flagged by the lists, I have never seen a single case of a person being put on the list for activities protected by the First Amendment. Feel free to drop any proof you might have via email or in the comments. I'm not even certain that in this case Murphy's name matched or was similar to a name on the list - which is what has snagged nearly every David Nelson in the country and what got Senator Ted Kennedy a dose of handheld wanding. In this case, I would guess that Murphy was singled out randomly. He himself says he wasn't flagged on the way back, which he almost certainly would have been if he were on the 'selectee' list. (The 'selectee' list directs airlines to single out that person for extra screening, while a related list, the 'no-fly' list directs airlines to keep a person off a plane.) I'm open to any evidence that the government has watchlisted American citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights, but I've never seen it. The left wants to believe it is living in some version of Orwell's 1984. Threat Level believes that's a fool's prism. Around these parts, we prefer to see the world through a Kafka and Gilliam kaleidescope. Update: American Airlines and TSA respond here. blog.wired.com