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To: Slagle who wrote (17157)	4/15/2007 9:25:02 AM
From: StockGamer	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218002

Poor Germany and Japan! How they suffered under that devious Roosevelt. The world would have been so much better off with the thousand year Reich and the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. No Soros, no Trilateral Commission, no Joos, no Blacks, no Gypsies, no Gays, no surplus Chinese or Russians ...

To: Slagle who wrote (17157)	4/15/2007 9:59:20 AM
From: jim black	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218002

Slagel The reply to this note previously posted has inclined me to step up with a suggestion to further muddy the waters around this topic. And I think it is okay since markets are closed for us here in USA now on a Sunday...I suggest Creature From Jekyll Island, a Second Look at the Federal Reserve. In it are discussed central banks, fiat currency, the Council on Foreign Relations that is in now way secret, and points are made that buttress the argument that Wilson, Roosevelt and virtually all other presidents to follow were moved not by "morality" but rather by influences of the really big money interests who would make money off wars, etc, etc...so Iraq war is a win for those who'd make money from it, just as Vietnam war was, and the big family money, the Rothschilds, the Morgans, the Rockefellers, Soros, the Bushes, the Gores, (they have huge holdings in Occidental Petroleum from the Gore Sr/Armand Hammer deals, the Gianinnis (don't know those? try family that founded Bank of America)...the book changed my view of the world to more than anything else parallel Jay's view of the world. We are pawns, all of us little guys, and William Jefferson Clinton acknowledged a hint of the truth in 1992 when in his acceptance speech at demo convention he saluted his "mentor" Carrrol Quigley, author of Tragedy and Hope, Quigley an open exponent of the One World Order, he believed in it, did not worry about USA losing its identity, hated such antiquated inclinations, and said "The genius of the American system is that the Eastern Business Interests (those and others named above) have seized control over the Dem and Rep parties in the USA, and although they each have their hot button issues, at the end of the day when the votes are counted, it makes no difference who wins." Whisper in my ear teh real difference between Bush and Heinz stud Kerry. Such I believe is the shape of the world we live in. Scoff if they will, those who scorn what you said and the intentions behind it...we are pawns and our money is little our own and we do what we are manipulated to do, most of us, most of the time. Years ago in an honors history course in college I read a book Rossevelt's Road to War...and in it it is stated he manipulated us into WWII and that was probably best against Hitler...but I stood in front of Benedict Hall on that November 22 and wondered who had killed JFK, and he had already brought the first plane load of troops home from Viet Nam, and then LBJ reversed it...so in the end after all I am with Jay, I am buying gold and keeping it hidden, and don't have a clue how things will work out, and I laugh that I subscribe to the notion, hope for the best, plan for the worst, and be ready for anything jim black austin TX and no there are not many who think I am anything but crazy paranoid

To: Slagle who wrote (17157)	4/15/2007 4:24:41 PM
From: Seeker of Truth	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218002

Why was Roosevelt required to sell U.S. oil to an invader of China, guilty of so many massacres of Chinese people? U.S. oil was all that FDR could control. He was not the ruler of the world. You said he got the U.S. into the (unjust?) war with Japan. It seems to me that the Japanese high command is the one that got the US there. Roosevelt responded to their attack on Pearl Harbour by appealing to the Congress for a declaration of war. What did the Republicans really want in those days? Rule of Asia by Japan, Europe by the Nazis? Did the US attack Japan first or did Japan attack the US first? Not all history books lie, read one or two. Why did the US have to consider Japanese demands(for Chinese territory) at all? If a crook wants your bank account but he agrees to make less extreme demands and he will settle for discussions about getting your car, are you obliged to be reasonable and consider the matter? And in any case no part of China belonged to the US. It's as if the crook wanted discussions with ME about legalizing his grab of Slagle's car.

To: Slagle who wrote (17157)	4/15/2007 8:46:10 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 218002

Slagle - I don't think the demands on Japan were physically impossible, and they were not being asked to leave Formosa/Taiwan just China. Freezing foreign bank accounts is legal, there were laws passed to World War I for this. As for oil and gasoline, that was US oil & gas so what is the issue ? Maybe Japan should have checked their resource base before trying to build an empire through conquest. That fact that the oil cut off put them in difficult strategic position does justify an attack on Hawaii or Java. Maybe if they had not committed massive crimes in Nanking, they would not have had such hostile US public opinion. The Japanese Army even shocked the Nazi observers. When Britian and France grabbed the Suez canal from Egypt, the United States and Russia told them to leave - and they did. After Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, he was told to leave by everybody except Syria. I agree with you that Roosevelt was trying to drag us into a war, but after the fall of France I don't think war was avoidable. World War I was avoidable for the US, and should not have been involved with that war.