To: coug who wrote (74975 ) 4/16/2007 9:16:45 AM From: LTK007 Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 89467 <<But moving on, we have conservative friends, real conservatives, NOT neocons, like those that representive themselves here as conservatives.... NEVER NEOCONS..>> i have found so much is about a persons ethics, their sense of right and wrong, of do the right thing. It is of course not that simple but that gives a broadbrush stroke of what i mean. More later.We have a NorEaster going on right now:) just give this quote i read last night in the New York Review of Books, the quote is about the deceased poet Zbigniew Herbert and contains a direct quote by Herbert. The reviewer is Charles Simic,NYRB,4/26/2007 <<Herbert always said that he had no use for that "puffed-up monster with a murderous eye," the Hegelian spirit of history. "I wasted years learning history's simplistic workings/the monotonous procession and the unequal struggle/between the thugs at the head of addled crowds/and a handful of the righteous and reasonable," he wrote in a poem. He didn't arrive at that knowledge just by reading books. As a fifteen-year-old, Herbert witnessed his hometown occupied by the Soviet Union following the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and some nineteen months later by the Nazis after the alliance collapsed and Hitler attacked Russia. Lwów, a bustling city with a mixed population of Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, and Jews, was changed within a few days into a concentration camp, Herbert remembered. One of his teachers was killed, he said, by "history's schoolyard bullies," while others were thrown in jail. Herbert joined the Polish resistance movement and continued his studies at an underground university. With mass slaughter, forced deportation, and widespread fear, he must have seen plenty>> enuff said:) Max