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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elroy who wrote (14862)	4/19/2007 8:33:49 PM
From: denizen48	Respond to of 22250

Get real. Which Middle East have you been watching for the past forty years? It's all about the land, and Israel wants all of it. You continually trivialize this conflict of stones against tanks. You won't acknowledge that our own democracy has been hijacked because of it. Hello? AIPAC? I can't stand reading your hunky dory assessments of this fiasco.

To: Elroy who wrote (14862)	4/20/2007 3:35:37 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Respond to of 22250

Re: The lands of Israel and Palestine will be united into one country with citizenship given to present day Israelis and the approrpiate Palestinian refugees (exactly what is meant by "appropriate is to be determined later). The country will be secular, democratic, and have a non-religious name, we'll call it Pasreal for the time being. Immigration based on ethnicity will be cancelled. Voila! Problem solved. Not so fast! You disingenuously fail to see that your one-land solution has actually been the nightmare/worst-case scenario for Israel's leadership all along.... According to most Zionists/Israelis, yours is the very negation of "Israel's right to exist"!! For, as you know, Israel's right to exist is merely a code name for Jewish supremacy over non-Jews, be they Russian goyim or Arab/Muslim natives. Somehow, you naively intimate that Israelis' agenda/expectations are similar to those of white South Africans, that is, a willingness to share political power while preserving a white ruling class in key economic sectors (farming, mining, banking,...). But that's precisely the nemesis of Zionism: Israeli Jews don't want to end up as a thriving Jewish minority in an Arab-run polity.... They want to run the show AS A MINORITY. Gus