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To: LindyBill who wrote (36523)	4/20/2007 5:12:17 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541851

There are studies, and the results of these studies are ever so much more complex that your post implies: www3.interscience.wiley.com smr.sagepub.com There are many ways to stop a homicidal maniac. You like the gun solution. Other people see solutions somewhat earlier in the causal chain. Your posts often have statements that look like facts, but aren't - and when fact checked, are wrong. Remember when you said the story about the charges being dismissed against the tangential marine at Haditha weren't covered by the MSM? Message 23468787 Completely wrong- it was carried in all of the MSM. And this is not an isolated event. You may state the things you believe as facts if you like, but many of these things are simply your incorrect beliefs, unsupported by facts, dressed up as facts.

To: LindyBill who wrote (36523)	4/20/2007 9:38:35 AM
From: neolib	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541851

Situations like VA Tech have been studied. And we know that there is only one thing that can stop a homicidal maniac. Someone on the scene who is armed. Doesn't cost the Government a dime. Wouldn't cost the Government a dime if there were no guns in the USA either.

To: LindyBill who wrote (36523)	4/20/2007 10:03:19 AM
From: freelyhovering	Respond to of 541851

GOVT had guns at Kent State and lots got shot. Who keeps a leash on the shooters? Only one thing that you can do with a gun and that is kill someone. The definition of aggression (vs. assertiveness) is that a person runs out of other options in their head. Thus, people who can continue to negotiate are usually more adept and the shooters are basically more passive. Shooting someone is the most passive reactions one can have. You've run out of options in your mind. This latter principle is important in the treatment of violent criminals in rehab programs in Prisons that I saw work in the early 70's before the conservatives in Congress, yanked the money. Time after time, in inmate self-therapy programs (Synonon) guys would be told that they really were quite passive in their jump to violence and it was an indication of being a defective human being. More adaptive means of response could be learned when the inmates could realize that instead of their behavior being viewed as 'macho', they were displaying helpless, passive, reflexes. In contrast, watch a good hostage negotiating team that continues to search for ways to communicate with the holder of hostages rather than immediately blowing away the criminal and the hostages.