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To: KonKilo who wrote (36537)	4/20/2007 10:19:34 AM
From: Dale Baker	Respond to of 541761

The neocons and their predecessors move in cycles, holding sway for a decade or two then receding back to the Washington fringes. They snuck in the back door this time with Bush's razor-edge win in 2000, and 9/11 gave them the keys to Dad's car for a while. That should end by January 2009 with little likelihood that "We must invade someone else!" will be a winning political platform for several more presidential terms.

To: KonKilo who wrote (36537)	4/20/2007 10:28:13 AM
From: Paul Kern	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541761

Its going to be tough to declare victory at this point. We went to Iraq to paint the schools. The schools were painted. We were victorious The troops can come home.

To: KonKilo who wrote (36537)	4/22/2007 5:50:34 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541761

Its going to be tough to declare victory at this point. Saddam's regime is completely removed from power, and its leadership is mostly dead or in prison. We have verified that there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I would consider that a lot closer to a victory than to a loss, at least as far as the "Coalition versus Saddam's Iraq" war went. Iraq may descend into chaos, or it may split into three countries, or it may stabilize under the most powerful local group, who knows? Whatever happens to Iraq, it won't be a defeat for the USA, unless you define victory for the USA as the USA providing three meals a day, a good education, and decent infrastructure for Iraqis. And its hard to see how things could possibly improve over the next two years. Over the next two years if the USA leave Iraq things for the USA could improve a lot. Significantly reduced Iraq campaign expenditures and significantly reduced loss of American life in Iraq. That's a slam dunk! Things may deteriorate for Iraqis, but that's not our concern, now, is it? They will reap what they sow.