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Technology Stocks : Qualcomm Moderated Thread - please read rules before posting -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: waitwatchwander who wrote (62900)	4/20/2007 11:18:39 AM
From: Jim Mullens	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 196896

NS, Re: "Why did they use such different language? Do they consider UMTS handsets to exclude HSPA functionality? " Interesting observation and suspose it centers on word parsing--- "It depends on what the meaning of 'it' is"---?? (CDMA v WCDMA v UMTS v 3GSM v HSDPA v HSPA, etc, etc) Couldn't be -- no hyperbole from the NOK/ NOK6 (POS)/ GSM crowd- "we try to stick to the facts"!!!! Further provokes the question-- When is Wall St (media / analysts) going to call them on this ongoing (decade long??) charade???

To: waitwatchwander who wrote (62900)	4/20/2007 11:40:40 AM
From: rkral	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 196896

I'm reasonably sure HSPA handsets are considered WCDMA devices by both Qualcomm and Nokia. UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications Service) is a registered trademark of ETSI (European Telecommunications Standards Institute). There is a connection (not sure of the "official" connection) between the EU (European Union) and ETSI. Qualcomm's IPR declarations with ETSI, and when there is an associated European Patent (EP), usually show something like "European Patent Office, FRANCE, ITALY, SPAIN, SWEDEN, UNITED KINGDOM." I don't know if that means the EP filing is a formal filing only for the countries named ... OR if filings were made at an EP office and at patent offices of the named countries. If it's the former (as I believe), it appears Nokia is trying to establish that Qualcomm's patents are only applicable in a small percentage of the 25+ EU countries, and when Nokia makes this argument, they use the EU term "UMTS." Personally, I think it's a red-herring argument -- just another BB in their shotgun.

To: waitwatchwander who wrote (62900)	4/20/2007 12:20:56 PM
From: scratchmyback	Respond to of 196896

<<Are Nokia's actions just directed at breaking up the patent pool? The $20M payment they offered was for their UMTS handsets sales. In their subsequent press release they spoke of WCMDA handsets sales and only paying 3% aggregate royalties. Why did they use such different language? Do they consider UMTS handsets to exclude HSPA functionality? Todate, they couldn't have sold a lot of HSPA handsets making the majority of their "past" WCDMA handset sales strictly of the UMTS variety. How about this scenario ...>> Yes and no, would be my answer. I believe Nokia is indeed trying to break Qualcomm's patent pool, but I don't think they count WCDMA and HSPA as separate standards. My view is that Nokia wants to separate GSM/GPRS/EDGE, WCDMA/HSPA and CDMA2000 from each other. And besides these three, LTE will be another animal and WiMAX yet another.