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To: Rambi who wrote (203529)	4/20/2007 11:05:17 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793843

Sometimes there is just nothing to be done...But I do not believe that arming young people is the answer. We can't do anything. Don't let the people have guns to protect themselves. That's why I give up on people who think like you.

To: Rambi who wrote (203529)	4/21/2007 4:53:00 AM
From: unclewest	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793843

Not at all, Lindy. And that reply was unworthy of you. But I do not believe that arming young people is the answer. Frankly, the idea of college students armed is frightening to me. The difference between yours and LB's POV is LB is willing to protect and defend himself and his family. You are not. You wrote, "Frankly, the idea of college students armed is frightening to me." You should understand that your fear is not shared by others. I find the fact that we have well trained armed citizens in America quite comforting. I don't mind your not being willing to defend yourself. Submit if you wish. That is your decision (indeed everyone's decision) to make. But, I'll never allow you to prevent me from being able to defend myself. The very notion that your fear makes you want to deny others the capability of self-defense is anti-human, anti- common sense, anti-American and makes my blood sizzle. I consider the condescending and snide tone you have been using to make judgements about LB's messages to be trolling. You use pissy little insults to act like you want a fight but deep down you know you don't have what it takes to defend yourself. If it were not for better men your genes would have been history long ago. I have a solution for you. If you believe more law enforcement is the answer, issue every American who wishes to be armed and completed a concealed carry course a badge.

To: Rambi who wrote (203529)	4/21/2007 4:16:14 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793843

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

To: Rambi who wrote (203529)	4/22/2007 12:37:40 AM
From: Neeka	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793843

What is more frightening.....at least for me......is that those intuitive students who knew they might need. and wished to have some kind of firearm.......assumedly only allowed after going through the necessary background checks, firearms training etc......were denied that right because some folks believed that gun free zones would remain gun free. During the heated debates of the past, society discussed the issue of gun rights and reached what seemed to some an equitable compromise. (for many......like myself....... these compromises were frightening and unrealistic) As we now know, the gun carrying compromise that was fashioned by anti-gun and pro-gun advocates hasn't gone far enough, and people are still in danger. It actually reminds me of several issues that we've faced in the past, and ones we face now. The public is usually evenly divided on most issues and so society is forced to talk and try to reach compromises. Many fell for the elusion that we'd all be safe if we just set up gun free zones. The administration at Virginia Tech ignorantly believed that human beings will follow the rules and ignored reality. That is....some people break rules......leaving the rest of us unprotected. This mindset is dangerous and leads to the unnecessary deaths of tens, if not thousands. Their other crime is that they did not take into consideration what students and faculty would do if someone decided to break their precious rule. Guess that issue was left out of the equation......totally inept thinking imo! If young people are trained properly they certainly have the ability to keep and use a firearm in their own defense. Short of that, maybe kids need to be taught basic lessons in self defense. Other than barricading the door in one classroom, and the actions of one brave professor, students and faculty at Virginia Tech didn't even put up a fight. That frightens me more than a properly trained individual that carries a legally permitted fire arm. The lessons we can take away from 9/11 and flight 93 have not been learned Frankly, the idea of college students armed is frightening to me.