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To: Keith Feral who wrote (228163)	4/22/2007 10:51:31 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Why do Muslim moderates excuse Muslim extremists for killing innocent people and taking the law into their own hands? They aren't. The silence on Muslim on Muslim atrocities is high considering the voice given to non-Muslim on Muslim atrocities, but that lower level of volume is not accurately described as approval or an excuse. Which Muslim moderates are "excusing" the various car bombings that go on every week in Iraq? Please list them.... Why do Liberals fail to recognize the gross violation of human rights in Iraq and criticize our support? I think they see US as having not achieved the goal of respect for human rights in Iraq after 5 years of "support", and that five years is enough time to have tried. The outlook for achieving respect for human rights appears dim, so we should set set a deadline, and leave. If US support for human rights in Iraq was demonstrating progress, which seems a reasonable expectation after FIVE YEARS, you'd see less criticism of our presence there. The only people that want us out of this war are the Iraqi terrorists and the Democrats. The majority of Americans want the US to leave Iraq, and think the Bush administration is doing a poor job on Iraq. If the administration were doing a good job in Iraq (over the past 5 years), the numbers would be more supportive. It's not logical to support a failing program indefinitely.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (228163)	4/22/2007 11:50:10 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

No liberals that I've seen are "defending" Saddam Hussein. But sometimes even evil men serve a purpose, and some liberals see that before invading Iraq we 1. did not have a civil war there on the scale we have now because evil Saddam was keeping it in check 2. Iranian influence was much less than now because evil Saddam was keeping it in check and 3. evil Al Qaeda was not there because evil Saddam had different interests from Al Qaeda and 4. we weren't wasting a ton of money and tying up our military trying to keep Iraq in control- although much less effectively than Saddam did- (let's not even talk about rebuilding any more). That's not "defending" Saddam- that's seeing the negatives in doing stupid things to remove an evil leader, when you really haven't thought out very well what the removal will lead to. It gets frustrating for me to keep seeing the lie about liberals perpetuated. You can certainly criticize liberals for being pragmatic about Saddam's benefits - but that's hardly defending him.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (228163)	4/22/2007 12:31:49 PM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

I would suspect that most Iraqis, even Shiites, believe that the regime of Saddam was MORE COMPETENT than the regime of you rightwing Bushies. I heard that Iraqis are now down to 1 hour (maybe) of electricity a day which is down from the 3-4 hours it was several months back...things are getting steadily worse even as Bushies pour money and people into the country. You should be frustrated by your own corruption and incompetence. Oh yeah, the Iraqis don't want Americans there especially as the Bushies are finally acknowledging that they have NO STRATEGY except to rely on...IRAQIS. Actually, the Bushies are now reducing to blaming Iraqis which, I'm sure, goes over about as well as anything you guys have done to date. You rightwing Bushies have destroyed a country and given the bill to all of us. When are you going to do penance? When are you going to take responsibility? When are you going to become moral adults? No one is holding their breath.

To: Keith Feral who wrote (228163)	4/24/2007 12:19:27 PM
From: Garden Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Keith, here's what the US should do. It should stop being a social worker and start being a domestic government and focusing on America. No adventurism abroad, we need our government here to tend to the needs of our people. Do unto others as they would have them do unto you. And very little has been done by other countries to America for what America has done in return (yes, 9/11, but we've gotten even by leaps and bound by killing 10 Iraqis for every American). MYOB is a good foreign policy.