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To: epicure who wrote (36651)	4/22/2007 12:25:07 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541777

Wealthy father of 10. Ha. You leave a lot out. How much detail you want in a four sentence paragraph? Come on! The fact that the "win" was such a non-event shows you just how weak Iraq was. One legged blind man is pretty much spot on, imo. Obviously you think about if differently ?? Just because it was relatively easy to defeat Saddam's regime means we didn't win that fight? I don't understand you here. We're alive, he's dead, how can you not consider that a victory for us? When you "win" against a crippled enemy and make the world less safe for yourself and your allies, and spend a fortune doing it, I think most people would count that as a loss. I will put you on record as seeing as a win though, ok? I want to read your explanation of how in the battle between the coalition and Saddam's regime, the coalition lost. You're discussing the entirety of the coaltion's activity in Iraq, and whether it has been a net positive or negative I think. That is not what I am discussing. I'm just saying the statement "the US was defeated in the Iraq war" is not the best way to describe what (I think) the people who say that want to describe. George Bush uses the same terms (victory versus defeat) for what is going on now in Iraq for obvious political reasons, as if there were still a war going on with the US on one side an "the enemy" on the other. There are better ways to describe the ongoing events which are more reflective of what is going on, and less likely to get you caught in the trap of being an "advocate of US defeat".