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To: quehubo who wrote (36662)	4/22/2007 12:58:36 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542004

They are effective- for increased penalties. Did you know they create enhanced penalties? I never see that mentioned- yet is a very rational feature of these zones.

To: quehubo who wrote (36662)	4/22/2007 1:30:39 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542004

The gun free zone signs are as effective as the drug free zone signs. Actually, they are quite effective on campuses. Fortunately, however, we don't have enough campuses that permit students and faculty to arm themselves to serve as control groups for serious data analysis. But my guess is that if you could do serious analytical comparisons of public spaces that permit gun carrying with those that don't. And control enough of the variables having to do with varying populations and conditions, you would find keeping guns off campus works and works well. I taught, for many years, on a fairly rural campus in which the surrounding population was heavily a hunting and fishing one. We kept guns off campus even to the extent of sanctioning, seriously, students who were caught keeping them in their rooms. Never mind, carrying them around campus in a pocket or some such. This despite opposition from the surrounding town. We had no gun based violent incidents. Whether this policy did the trick or not, no one can seriously say. One case is not a sufficient sample. But it sure as hell made everyone feel safer; and students who were found with guns were roundly criticized by other students.