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To: Elroy who wrote (36710)4/23/2007 8:10:37 AM
From: Sam  Respond to of 541933
 
Let me ask you this - what about my writing implies that there is some matter of "pride" that I think the US won the war with Saddam's regime?

Perhaps I was extrapolating from your insistance that "we won the war" when it seems obvious to me that the war is lost, and the way some people have used that term with reference to Vietnam. "We" didn't lose the war, these people insist, it was the protesters who lost the war. We won every battle we fought--as if this significant. It isn't. But somehow some people put stock in it. When I say someone won or lost a war, I don't mean simply military operations. I mean the political goals that the military operations were supposed to have achieved as well. The goals are part and parcel of the war, they can't be separated.

But nevermind, this is silly, I have too muc work to do this week.



To: Elroy who wrote (36710)4/23/2007 9:06:28 AM
From: KonKilo  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541933
 
In the American Civil War, the Confederacy won nearly every battle, from First Bull Run, through Chancellorsville and arguably Franklin.

Their only clear-cut defeats during the four-year war were at Gettysburg and Missionary Ridge.

Do you consider them the victors?