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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (228301)	4/23/2007 3:07:19 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

I like you and hawk and find it regrettable when either of you gets nasty. I think what we have here is the vietnam war being refought. More so than any other factor, it was vietnam that pushed me over the top and closer to your pov on this war. Once again our leaders prove feckless. Once again they take advantage of our young soldiers. Once again they dilly dally in confronting the reality while american soldiers die. Hell the vietnam slaves (draftees) didnt deserve their fate nor do todays indentured servants who comprise the former all-volunteer army in iraq. PS as an addendum I have lost all respect for John McCain and will not vote for him because he has not learned the lesson of vietnam. As brave as he was in prison camp, he was an airman and not a GI and he was part of a navy AF which was second to none. Given the relationship between the casualty rate between GI and airman, a guy like McCain should be more circumspect when supporting this current policy. Will we read in Bush diaries years from today, that he like LBJ knew this was a lost cause but feared the wrath of the american people if he admitted it?

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (228301)	4/23/2007 4:18:54 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

And what have you learned? We'll, I think we've all learned that there are exist a plethora of people, like yourself. People who remain content to speak out of their @sses (given that's where their cranium also happens to be located). People who refuse to recognize that leaving Iraq before a government with the ability to preserve internal order is in place would only create GREATER BLOODSHED, and possibly reintroduction of EVEN MORE US SOLDIERS to stave off regional aggression by adjacent states (especially Iran or Syria). People who are so short-sighted that their focus doesn't reach past their belief that the overthrow of Saddam was illegal.. They think the war was illegal so all of those terrorist bombings, and beheadings by Jihadists trying to fill the power vacuum must be justifiable. After all, if we hadn't overthrown Saddam, those Jihadists wouldn't be there, right?? So if we leave, they'll all simply go away and stop being such bad people... In the past I recall that you were pretty dismissive of the prospect of "total failure" but now it appears that you accept the possibility. Dismissive? How can I be dismissive of such a prospect when there are people such as yourself so willing to create that total failure?? I've never been dismissive... Failure can happen at anytime.. All we have to do is just give up and accept that the Jihadists have more belief and dedication to their visions than we do. Half of the battle in fighting any war is the belief that you MUST WIN. If you think you can't win, then you've just told the enemy that they can. Too bad people like you don't spend more time convincing the Jihadists that they can't win, instead of telling the American people that we've already lost. Hawk