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To: Elroy who wrote (36766)	4/24/2007 3:07:21 AM
From: Cogito	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541962

>>I couldn't agree more. That's been my point, that the current situation in Iraq and the War on Terror in general have much better ways to be described than as winning or losing a war. Despite that, I have no problems saying the coalition absolutely won their war with Saddam Hussein's regime, and it's not even clear to me why anyone would dispute that simple sentence. Saddam won't - he's dead.<< Elroy - I, along with other people on this thread, have given numerous reasons why we might dispute that simple sentence. It doesn't appear that you've made any effort to understand those reasons, so I can see why it wouldn't be clear to you. And my guess is that it never will be. One problem with your simple statement is that it so narrowly defines the scope of the war. The war didn't end when our occupation of Baghdad began, or when George Bush stood on the deck of an aircraft carrier and said it did. Another problem is that it really doesn't mean anything. We won! Say it until you're blue in the face, but what exactly is it that was so great about that? If you want to view the war as ending when Baghdad fell, then you could say that the armed forces of the most powerful nation on earth won a war against the disorganized, poorly trained, and poorly equipped army of a tiny country led by a delusional despot. Hurrah! And look at the results! To me, that "victory" doesn't seem to be something to be proud of. - Allen