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To: michael97123 who wrote (228713)	4/25/2007 4:35:07 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Which they consider as surrender and absolute defeat. I don't see any give on either side of the equation. All I know is that it isn't up to the US to meddle. Israel falls or stands on its own but I have no problem relocating Israelis (except for those crazy screaming settlers and their ilk) to the US. I figure that this is a cheaper alternative to constant war and fear mongering over terrorism than what we've been doing for half a century now. I did think of another alternative which is to massively bribe people into accepting a new arrangement. I like bribery much better than violence which only breeds resentment and lots of stress. If we had bribed the Iraqis we might have a decently stable government and society over there AND we might not be expecting $4.50/gal gasoline here this summer. We have spent enough in Iraq, to only ill effect, to have paid out the entire GDP of the country for a decade or more.

To: michael97123 who wrote (228713)	4/26/2007 12:59:22 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

The Pals dont have to surrender. All they (and the arab states) really have to do is to accept the existance of israel as a predominately jewish state with some mutually agreed to borders similar to 67. EDIT If they cant do that, there will never be peace. As long as people like neolib keep telling the Arabs that there's nothing wrong with their current behavior since the Israelis are thieves, why should they ever accept it?

To: michael97123 who wrote (228713)	4/26/2007 8:20:10 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

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