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To: unclewest who wrote (204323)4/27/2007 3:47:06 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 793914
 
I wish there was a way to "defund" those in Congress who are on purpose "defunding" our troops, and making the AQ and some in the Middle East laugh about what jerks they really are..

How can the truth get out?



To: unclewest who wrote (204323)4/27/2007 3:49:03 AM
From: KLP  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793914
 
Military Responses to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's Comments
Thursday , April 26, 2007

By Lt. Col. Oliver North
foxnews.com

Washington, D.C. — If Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is right, nearly sixty percent of Americans agree with him that the war in Iraq is already lost. And if he is correct in saying that losing the war will increase Democrat majorities in future elections, then it may be fair to conclude that Americans now love losers.

I’m not buying any of it — and neither are the troops who are fighting this war.

In the days since Mr. Reid announced that “this war is lost,” I have heard from dozens of the soldiers, sailors, airmen, guardsmen and Marines that I have covered in eight trips to Iraq and two to Afghanistan for FOX News. Some of those who correspond with me are there now, others are home and some are preparing to deploy again. None of them agree with the Majority Leader’s assessment.

• One e-mail from Ramadi, Iraq observed: “Good thing this guy Reid wasn’t around in 1940 when Winston Churchill promised the people of Great Britain nothing but ‘blood, toil, tears and sweat.’”

• Another, a National Guardsman, recently returned from Mesopotamia with a Purple Heart, noted that the Senate Majority Leader has become “Al Qaeda’s most powerful ally.”

• At Mississippi State University, a Marine corporal I last saw along the banks of the Tigris River — now a college student — asked me, “Do those people who think we’ve lost this war have any idea what things will be like if we really do lose?”

It’s an important question that none of the potentates on the Potomac who just voted to withdraw U.S. troops appear willing to address.

According to military folklore, Napoleon kept a corporal at his side to ensure that the orders issued in battle were understandable by the troops who had to carry them out. Whether true or not, it’s time for Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi to find such a corporal who will ask them such questions, for if the Democrats continue their current course, we may well lose this war. This way, they will have embraced defeat and all that comes with it.

What would losing the war in Iraq mean? It’s a picture so dark and depressing that it makes the collapse in Vietnam — 32 years ago next week — look like a Sunday school picnic by comparison. The fall of Saigon was horrific for the people of the Republic of Vietnam and their neighbors in Cambodia and Laos. More than five million became refugees and by the most conservative estimates — no one knows for sure — at least a million others perished.

For most Americans, the consequences were minimal. The vast majority of the 2.8 million of us who had fought and bled there mourned the loss of 58,253 of our comrades, swallowed the bitterness of defeat, and got on with our lives. Our nation spent a few hundred million tax dollars on refugee relief and resettlement — and tried to forget what people in Mr. Reid’s party called “the long nightmare of Vietnam.”

But classified U.S. intelligence assessments, military contingency plans and staff studies evaluating the consequences of a precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Iraq, coupled with the lack of funding for political reform measures — as contained in the legislation just passed by Mr. Reid’s party — paint a far more dismal picture than anything that happened after Vietnam.

Within months, an immediate upsurge in vicious sectarian violence fomented by Iranian intervention on behalf of Shiite militias and Wahabbi-supported, al Qaeda-affiliated terror groups. As U.S. forces retreat to a half dozen staging areas for retrograde through Kuwait and Jordan, American casualties will dramatically increase from suicide bombers seeking “martyrdom” in their victory.

Inside of 18 months, the fragile, democratically-elected government in Baghdad will collapse, precipitating a real sectarian civil war and the creation of Taliban-like “regional governments” that will impose brutal, misogynistic rule throughout the country. The ensuing flood of refuges into Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria, Turkey and Iran will overwhelm relief organizations, creating a humanitarian disaster making what’s happening in Darfur pale by comparison.

The Kurds in Northern Iraq are likely to declare an autonomous region that could well result in Turkish, Iranian and even Syrian military intervention.

In the course of withdrawing U.S. combat brigades and support units, billions of dollars in American military equipment and ordnance will have to be destroyed or left behind. More than $40 billion in reconstruction projects for schools, health care facilities, sanitation, clean water, electrical distribution and agricultural development will be abandoned. Plans to exploit the new West Qurna oil field in southeastern Iraq will be forsaken.

The governments of Kuwait, Jordan, Abu Dhabi and Bahrain, intimidated by Iranian boldness in acquiring nuclear weapons, will likely insist on the withdrawal of American military bases from their territories. Such a move will jeopardize U.S. naval operations in the Persian Gulf and logistics, intelligence collection and command and control facilities supporting operations in Afghanistan.

As Iraq becomes a battleground for the centuries-long Sunni-Shiia conflict, radical Islamic terror organizations will use the territories they control to prepare and launch increasingly deadly terror attacks around the globe against U.S. citizens, businesses and interests.

Senator Reid and his cohorts in Congress who believe that “this war is lost” have acted to ensure that it will be. No one asked them: “If we lost, who won?” The answer should be obvious.

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• E-mail Oliver North
colonelscorner@foxnews.com

Oliver North is a nationally syndicated columnist, the host of “War Stories” on the FOX News Channel and the founder of Freedom Alliance, a foundation that provides scholarships to the children of military personnel killed in action.



To: unclewest who wrote (204323)4/29/2007 1:17:54 PM
From: cnyndwllr  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793914
 
Hi Uncle, re: The war in Iraq will have to be settled by the politicians. Our military cannot win a traditional military victory imho.

Changing the name and acronym will not change the situation. The war presently known as GWOT will continue. I believe the Army must reevaluate and demand strict adherence to its stated system of core values. Something has to give. We cannot afford more Iraqs. Yet the fight will go on. We must develop and inculcate in our conventional military leaders a new battlefield paradigm. One that respects and values innocent civilian lives and rights more than dead enemy soldiers. For certain the continuing fight will involve killing but it will have to be surgically done, with little to no collateral damage and the utmost care taken to protect non-combatants.


I hope that reflects the current views of some of the more progressive military thinkers. Our clumsy, heavy handed method of dealing with insurgents has been a disaster for us in Iraq and for Israel, creating fierce resistance and filling the ranks of those we fight.

A companion to that thought is that the civilian leadership must also understand that what we do in terms of authorizing force must be just and measured and must respect the sovereignty of other nations. The world's a dangerous place and we can be safer or less safe, depending on how we lead it.

On another subject, I read your post commenting on the Lt. Col who criticized the generals. What he never addressed, for obvious reasons, is that those who praised the doomed policies in Iraq clearly understood that their peers who hadn't done so were paying a steep price in terms of assignments, lack of promotions and early retirements.

The tendency to please the boss is human but with their soldiers lives on the line I'd have expected more of them to stand up and be counted. My experience, however, has been that those willing to stand up and be counted are far outnumbered by those unwilling to make waves and, one by one, they're weeded out by a system that rewards conformists, ass kissers and plodders over independent thinkers.

Maybe this debacle in Iraq will finally create an understanding of the problem and an effort to repair a bureaucratic system that's poorly configured to adapt and respond to complex, multifaceted missions. Ed