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To: DMaA who wrote (204399)	4/27/2007 1:24:21 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794015

Yes, what is it with all the apologizing for things that have nothing to do with the people doing the apologizing. <Since apologies are fashionable, I apologize that she is from my area.> Apologizing to Negroes and Sioux for example and there's even talk of paying money to Negroes because some of their ancestors had the good fortune to be shipped to the USA as slaves. Imagine what their lives were like, or would be like, if they hadn't been sold down the river in Africa by their own tribes. Better a slave in the USA than killed back "home". Okay, that's a slight exaggeration, but not totally untrue in all instances. Maoris had slaves and life as a slave in Maoriland ended in a big dinner celebration, with the slave as dinner. Life was not nice back in the day. Not for anyone and if it was nice, it wasn't for long. It is absurd that an Indian immigrant, working for QUALCOMM, should pay money to Condoleezza Rice and even more absurdly, Hussein-Obama who didn't have slave ancestors [and maybe Condoleezza didn't either, for all I know]. Our prime minister loves nothing more than a good apology on behalf of me, for things that had nothing to do with either of us and everyone involved has been dead for decades if not centuries. It would be nice if people would focus more on where to from here, than how we got to here. I notice that all those people who apologize, and "take responsibility", do NOT get their cash out and hand it over. Nor do they commit to spending the rest of their life earning money to give to the people they have harmed. The apology is invariably to absolve themselves of any problems and to escape unscathed, with no sincerity, and no cash loss. I'm sure there are some legitimate apologies, but I can't think of one. Criminals are specialists at the self-dealing apology. They throw in a religious conversion for good measure. Unless they are OJ Simpson in which case they remain the arrogant pigs they always were. Mqurice

To: DMaA who wrote (204399)	4/28/2007 12:42:36 AM
From: MJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 794015

To forgive is a Christian value and likely a tenet of other religions; however, there is one major tenet of Christianity that precedes the concept of forgiveness for mere human beings. That is the Christian concept of treating others as you would treat them. If people use this concept there is little need for forgiveness. From the article mentioned in previous message------- "Campus leaders, experts and those touched by the tragedy say there are several reasons for the spirit of forgiveness. Many people are too overcome by grief to think about anything else. The fact that Cho killed himself provided enough retribution, some say. Others say the forgiveness is rooted in the strong Christian values of the area." Now lets get to the reality of forgiveness and apologies in the current political scene (not the Cho murders)--------forgiveness and apologies are being linked to monetary restitution. In other words, apologize, forgive, and give me money because of what I think your ancestors did. If this concept were followed to its logical conclusion, we were spend every moment apologizing for life since earth began and paying money to asuage the demanders. Are the Spanish going to apologize for the destruction of a Great-Great Grandfather's ship and pay restitution to our family----how many hundred years ago was that anyway. Heck maybe I'll write to Spain and demand an apology. Think you see how ridiculous this all becomes. mj