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To: Rambi who wrote (229172)	5/2/2007 5:48:03 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

How about women (or men) shouldn't go to a public university unless the they intend to practice their field for 10-20 years. And a a field that actually requires a degree (that excludes football, basketball, wrestling, or baseball). And journalism (Which university did Samuel Clemens attend? Charles Dickens?) Dance? Violin? You're kidding, right? Painting? What university did Van Gogh attend? Dali? (Yeah, I know he attended the San Fernando Academy of Fine Arts in Madrid. A trade school. Appropriate. Actress? What university did Audry Hepburn attend? Clark Gable? Humphrey Bogart? Special interest groups have had their pets added to the curriculum. They added respectability to the fields and AND provided jobs for those who otherwise would not have them. It's a fraud on the taxpayers. This is why we have such idiotic majors and courses. You think you can't make it in those fields WITHOUT 4 years of of college and you MUST waste your neighbors money to have a chance? Are you serious? Can you show that even having a degree in the field improves your chances against someone who spent those 4 years working in or working at getting into those fields? Debt and payback? If you attend a US military academy or go through fours years of ROTC, you owe 4 years of active military service. Is there something wrong with the idea that if you make the taxpayers pay the largest cost of the price of your education , you owe them a debt to be paid back? And that doesn't include selling cheap soldered peace symbols and love beads on Telegraph Avenue in Berzerkeley. You can do THAT without 4 years of college. And again, I find your measuring of a person's worth or contribution by whether they worked enough years to satisfy some yardstick of your own contriving peculiar. Then come up with your own. But justify that education in terms of what it cost society to give it to you. How many years should Iktomi have worked as a lawyer (yes, I believe your little bird was wrong) to qualify as "worthy" of attending a state U? How many years did she? Shouldn't she at least pay back in taxes the subsidized cost of her education? (Hundreds of thousands- -that's 7 years at state-supported schools.) My husband was a lawyer. He practiced - very successfully- at one of the top firms in Dallas for several years before deciding that the schedule was not conducive to a healthy family life. Whoops. His bad. No. He could easily have met the criterion I set. Many people change careers Forced? Excusable. and many more may be stuck in careers they hate. The world doesn't owe you a party. Or a living. And others may decide that it is more important to be home with their children than pursue their chosen educational field. If they know in advance they will spend all or almost all their times screaming at 3-year-olds, trying to reason with those physically incapable of reason, changing diapers, and cleaning up their messes, they should be indicted if they steal from the public treasury for a college education. But are you saying they should have farmed the kids out, and stayed in the workforce so as not to betray their educations? Or that they should have foregone their educations in the first place on the chance they may have children someday and want to stay home? Or that they should not have had children? That makes no sense to me. It wouldn't to a liberal. You gladly throw away other people's money. It's only your own that matters. We deal with what we have, in the present, guessing at futures, and we play the cards as they are dealt as best we can. Playing pitcher in college at public expense or the violin hoping to make the Big Time isn't a rational choice. It's going to Vegas and rolling the dice. You want to do it? Just like at Sin City, pay for it yourself. Why would you exclude me in your remarks? Because you appear to have worked as a columnist for many years? And, quite conceivably, your "failure" contributed to your success there? Or did all those plays, biographies,writings, and theories contributer nothing? Hardly likely. I mean, I know you are being kind and I appreciate that, but I am exactly the same as IKtomi! See above. I have no statistics for this, but I bet that more women than men end up changing career paths because they try, as Iktomi and I did, to meld both having a family and still using our education in some positive way. Exactly what? where? Like I expect an answer to that Smart man. :) But stupid about every else?? Anger should be reserved for the issues that matter, Laz. OH! Thank you! Then "wasting" all that money in Iraq chasing a goal that can't can't be realized doesn't matter! Because wasting hundreds of thousands to turn out a J.D. that mostly throws that education away and wastes public money doesn't matter either! And that's ok too. But it seems a waste of a good mind and energy to me to go after someone for these personal things, rather than on the enormous issues that affect us all these days. Like the enormous national debt? You have ANY IDEA of how much if that money comes from the Feds? And then you want to waste it. Tell the PC Police I won't go peacefully.