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To: carranza2 who wrote (229271)	5/1/2007 12:51:38 PM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

If it's our "credibility" as a world bully, I'd rather we lose it.

To: carranza2 who wrote (229271)	5/1/2007 1:57:26 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

"There are no easy answers, only choices between a bad outcome and a worse one." Exactly right, now which one is the bad one and which one the worse? Thats what i find confusing these days. C2 Can you consider the point i have been trying to make that once we are out of there, yes there will be intensification of violence as lines are drawn but after awhile there is a decent chance of a regional agreement that parralels the biden confederation of three states idea with oil revenue going to the sunnis as part of the deal. If that does in fact occur, the sunni baathists (secular/sociailists) and tribal leaders (mostly secular) will go after the remaining foreigners who they used in their fight with us? Those dudes are al q in iraq. As for iran, dont they want stability post the US in the country formerly known as iraq. They have no designs on controlling sunniland or kurdistan. The shiaa state in iraq they will have alot of influence in but post US arab/persian differences flare up a bit. Yes we lose face if we leave but we did that in vietnam too without much consequences abroad. One smart friend of mine who worked for the State Department once told me that it was his belief that vietnam gave the US credibility as a country that would fight for its principle, even if a lost cause. Maybe one day the iraqis will come to understand that we tried to help them along with a federal democracy with a viable economic systme and spent american lives for iraqi lives even if we were wrong headed and heavy handed in our approach.

To: carranza2 who wrote (229271)	5/1/2007 1:58:34 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Exactly how many war-mongering Republicans are signing up to fight in Iraq? Are the ranks of the national guard swelling with Republicans backing up their bigoted rhetoric with their lives? Didn't think so. Bush is running out of fresh troops which is why he keeps extending tours and making people return without the normal wait time at home. Bush is borrowing to pay for the costs of this incredibly expensive, long supply line, corruption laden expedition. Since Republicans refuse to join up in droves -- is there a sign up for the guard or military sheet at Republican gatherings -- Republicans have obviously given up on the thing entirely. Since Republicans aren't trying to get their children to sign up in droves, they've obviously decided it's not really that important. WWIII? A disaster for US power? Really? Obviously Republicans do not think so. They're voting with their feet...doing absolutely nothing.