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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (229770)	5/4/2007 2:54:51 PM
From: geode00	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Considering what just went on in LA (yet again) and considering that this kind of travesty of stupidity goes on everyday in LA and around the country, would you want to train these thugs in torture techniques? Would you want them around your neighborhood, your family, your kids? Would you want to have them in your house? The police are already in the throes of being 'paramilitary' storm troopers. They shave their heads, they wear tons of gear, they dress in black and they get their jollies flinging rubber bullets at peaceful crowds including children. They're so out of control, they actually struck reporters...who were filming...live. They aren't trustworthy with batons and rubber bullets and nitwits want to train them to torture other human beings? What a ridiculous, dangerous and irrational thought. We should be going in the opposite direction: fewer arms, less aggression and less 'paramilitary' crappola. Take cops out of cars, put them on the street (without high sugar doughnuts) walking the neighborhood beat and they will get information VOLUNTARILY that they would never be able to get out of torturing anyone. This ridiculous us-against-them mentality helps create the alienation that leads to ever increasing aggression.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (229770)	5/4/2007 10:52:23 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You've made it a black and white issue of using torture as opposed to standing by and allowing innocents to die No, I didn't. You read all that into what I said. I didn't say that. I said a) "ticking bomb" cases do exist, they are not a fabrication of the movies and b) the arresting officer who faces a ticking bomb suspect has to try something, because otherwise innocents will die. I did not say he had to try torture. I said would very likely use methods of pressure, such as intimidation, trickery and threats. I said he might be tempted to try torture, especially if he believed innocents were about to die, maybe in minutes. What I am saying is that this is a real issue and a hard issue. I am protesting the efforts of some on this board to brush the problem away on the grounds that "ticking bomb" suspects occur only in the movies and everybody knows that torture never works. It seems to me this is the just the opposite of making the issue black and white.