len grasso re #7354-
I did not say that it was the arab's responsibility to help the palestinians, I meant that they are not showing charity to their own, and perhaps their wealth may be better spent there, than on funding western mosques and CAIR to spread islamism. It's possible that helping the palestinians would not advance islamism, so why invest?
You still are not talking about the here and now. I am not much of a student of history, so I would like you to debunk the following- I apologize for the cut and paste, but I found this on the internet, but do not recall where:
"In the beginning of the 20th Century, there were about 800,000 or less inhabitants of that region which was part of the Ottoman Empire, and the property of which was totally owned by the Ottomans.
The inhabitants of the region were various, as it has been since at least Alexander the Great, Bedouins, Jews, Christians, Syrians, Phoenicians, even Macedonians, Celtic, Greek and Egyptians..
They were not known as Palestinians, and such designiation is an artifact of Arafat's propaganda.
In 1948 the vast majority of peoples living in what we now call the Palestinian Territories fled, of their own accord, to Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.. forwarned in mosque and word of mouth they knew of the planned Arab invasion of the newly declared state of Israel, and were told that the battle would only last two weeks at most, so they fled out of the line of fire taking the keys of their homes with them.
The few that stayed lived and their descendants live comfortably in Israel as citizens with full rights and priviliges, including political parties and representatives in the knesset.. there is no "Arab" or muslim country which grants Jews similar respect and rights, on the contrary they persecute and drive them out..
The vast majority of peoples who live in the so called Palestinian or "Palestinian" territories, are not even descendants of the 1948 Arabs but the children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of migrant workers, mostly from Egypt, who swarmed the territories (like Mexicans swarm the U.S.) attracted by the jobs and decent income that the Jews were providing.. but like morons the world over (Mexican, Muslim) in their fit of self righteous, triumphalist chauvinism.. they would (and try actively) to kill the goose that laid the golden egg..
In other words these so called "Palestinians" are feckless, shortsighted and Stupid as a result of their blind belief in their identity and ideology.
Just as those millions of Mexicans who flee across our southern border to escape the poverty which is the legacy and a necessary outcome of their own bankrupt culture, would and try mightily to tear down and render as dysfunctional this culture which has given them the opportunity.
Imagine fleeing the bankrupt and backwater culture of Mexico, and marching and flying a Mexican flag, demanding in essence that America become a carbon copy of that miserable country and culture which they fled.
Same thing with the so called "Palestinians"..they can't build themselves up, their religion and culture prohbit and inhibit that, so they wage war on Israel to destroy it.. that way they don't have to confront the blatant evidence that their culture is indeed backwards and inferior..
In that regard they are no different than any Leveler ideology, be it the French or Bolshevik Revolution or Pol Pots Khmer Rouge or Mao's revolution.. eliminate the differences between the near do wells and feckless by eliminating the middle class and the better off. Muslims won't be happy until everyone is brought down to the lowest common denominator (except of course for Imams, Qadi's,Islamic Scholars, and those who claims special privileges for themselves as religious authorities)."
Also, please debunk comments from Hugh Fitgerald of Jihadwatch.org after the lebanon cease fire-
"Israel's population and size is about that of a small American state -- say, Massachusetts. Yet one's expectations for its leaders are high. One expects them to be better, to be more aware of Islam, to be more cunning. Why? Partly because one cannot quite accept that this tiny state has leaders not much different from, in their mediocrity, most of the leaders of the Western world, and the more keen one's understanding of what is at stake -- for Israel, for the West if Israel goes under, for the world if the West is demoralized -- the more disturbed and disheartened one may become.
Of course one sympathizes. Imagine living in Israel, and seeing your son or sons have to go to war, knowing with a certainty that he will. Imagine knowing that your daughter or daughers will have to serve in the army, that you yourself, if male, will every year have to serve in the "miluim" doing reserve duty, and risking your life on many occasions. Imagine that you have a choice, between thinking that somehow this "conflict" (not Lesser Jihad, for you have not been taught, and no almost nothing about, Islam even if you see it all around you, but do not take it in) can be solved if only Israel offers compromise after compromise, or rather carefully refuses to make its own strongest case, and instead prates endlessly about "peace" and "truces" and "peace processes" (as the outside world has led it to do), and for a perfectly understandable reason.
It is too painful, for many in Israel, to study Islam and the history of Islam and to realize that there is no conceivable surrender of more territory that will make a difference. Israel is an Infidel state, in the middle of Dar al-Islam. It must, simply must, in the Muslim view, be reduced until it can be forced to dissolve altogether (the Slow Jihad of Abbas and Fatah), or be weakened by loss of control of territory, invasion routes, the heights of Judea, and indispensable aquifers), so that a military onslaught can be undertaken (the Fast Jihad of Hamas).
If a sufficient number of Israelis could get a mental grip on the problem, analyze it in all its bleakness, then soberly prepare to divide and demoralize the enemy, to stop squandering the lives of Israelis by playing absurdly according to this "purity-of-arms" hyper-Marquess of Queensberry rules, and by making Israel's case, which is an overwhelming one, beginning by ceasing to use that phrase "Palestinian people" and revealing, step by step, how Arab and Muslim propaganda has been used to misrepresent the legal, historic, and moral claim of the Jews to their tiny strip consisting, despite the original intent of the Mandates Commission of the League of Nations, only of Western Palestine (with the other 78% of the land originally intended to be part of the territory of Mandatory Palestine made, by a unilateral British act, off-limits to the application of the mandatory provisions pertaining to Jewish immigration and settlement).
Can the Israelis find leaders intelligent and wise enough to do all this?
They have no choice. They must."
Oh, and Hugh puts quotes around "palestinian people" because, as he says-
"The use of quotation marks is deliberate, intended to show that I do not accept the carefully-fabricated invention of the "Palestinian people" that took place after the Six-Day War. This was accomplished in several steps. First, the word "Palestinian" had previously been used, in the 20th century, only by Jews talking about other Jews who lived in Mandatory Palestine. You will not find a single example in the literature of the Arabs, of any Arab being called, without more, a "Palestinian." Furthermore you can look at the many tens of thousands of pages of U.N. Records from 1948 to 1967, and you will not find -- I know, I've looked -- a single appearance of the word "Palestinian" as a noun being used, by Arab spookesmen, to refer to Arabs living in Gaza or "the West Bank" (note those quotation marks, please, intended to mock, and to call into question, the replacement of the toponyms "Judea" and "Samaria," used in the Bible, certainly used by Jesus, used for 2000 years throughout both the Jewish world and Western Christendom, and then suddenly, in 1948, the Jordanian government attempted, like the Romans 1800 years before, to efface the Jewish connection by changing the placenames, and substituting for the millenniel-old "Judea" and "Samaria" the utterly misleading "West Bank").
We know exactly why this was done. Zuheir Mohsein, head of the PLO-linked terrorist group As Saiqa (a special favorite and ally of the Syrians), spelled it out. I will simply offer an excerpt from a two-year-old posting here:
"In 2002 the Moderator of the Presbyterian Church was a certain Rev. Abu-Akel, from Atlanta, who takes a deep interest in promoting the false, but palatable, view of the Jihad against Israel, as an Infidel sovereignty, as simply a conflict "between two tiny peoples" -- in one fell swoop, dismissing the Jihad which is completely uninterested in borders, and reinforcing the recently-invented "Palestinian people" (a phrase never used, of course, prior to the defeat in 1967, after which it was felt something better than Shukairy's truthful, but unpalatable, "push the Jews into the sea" rhetoric would have to be changed). Zuheir Mohsein, leader of As Saiqa, put it more truthfully in an interview with James Dorsey in the Dutch paper Die Trouw: "There is no difference between Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. We emphasize the Palestianian identity purely as a political weapon against the Zionists." (this is not verbatim, but from memory: readers may wish to google).
And
"This whole "Palestinian people" business was meant to redescribe the conflict, that implacable Jihad (I call it the "Lesser Jihad" as I do all the little Jihads that are merely local manifestations of the one big world-wide Jihad, or Jihad with world-wide ambitions) against Israel by Arabs and other Muslims, as one disguised as a conflict "between two tiny peoples" and for one group of the 300 million Arabs, with 22 sovereign states (the most of any one people in the world) and untellable and completely unearned riches that are the result of a mere accident of geology, and not the result of hard work or entrepreneurial flair or anything at all), to pretend that a particular group of Arabs suddenly had become a separate people, the "Palestinian people."
It's crap.
In Iraq we talk freely about Arabs and Kurds.
In Algeria we talk freely about Arabs and Berbers.
In Egypt we talk freely about Arabs and Copts.
But the Arabs want us to accept -- and many lazy or unthinking Israelis have gone along with the farce.
I'm not going to. And if every last Israeli decides to do so, I'm still not going to."
And of course, debunk the facts from the posting "If You're Going to Boycott Israel, Do It Right" at frontpagemag.com and add any appreciable contributions the islamist world has made in comparison. |
