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To: michael97123 who wrote (230710)	5/10/2007 6:47:30 PM
From: Sam	Respond to of 281500

Untrue, where do you get this stuff. IKE sent advisors. lol, Michael, where do you get this stuff... Dulles more than Ike was responsible for our entry into Vietnam. He didn't just "send advisors"--he violated the Geneva Accords of 1954 that ended the war between Vietnam and the French. According to the Geneva Accords, the line demarcating the South from the North was temporary. The country was one country, not two. There were supposed to be elections in 1956. Everyone knew that Ho would win those elections. So Dulles installed his own guy in the South, and declared all on his own that the South was a "country." It worked in Korea--why not Vietnam. Unfortunately for him, Ho actually had the support of most of the country. Yeah, it's true that LBJ escalated it. For that, I will never forgive him. He damaged me and many of my friends who were young teens at the time. Ike knew more about war than Dulles, he kept Dulles from escalating it--it was a compromise. "Last 30k dead are because he didn't want to be the first pres to lose a war." LBJ deserves some of the blame for that, for sure. But your comment above is at least as appropriately directed toward Nixon, Kissinger and the mindless patriots we have been talking about--it was the political pressure from the mindless patriots that kept LBJ, Nixon and Kissinger from admitting a mistake, and just getting out. Once again, it's the culture of mindless patriotism and those who fan it that in the end are as responsible as the leaders who didn't resist tham and pushed the buttoms. you loved civil rights and great society (massive wealth redistribution and welfare state malaise). Sorry, I don't have the time to respond to this piece of parroting of utterly conventional views.

To: michael97123 who wrote (230710)	5/10/2007 7:30:15 PM
From: jttmab	Respond to of 281500

Now thats sicker than nixon I'm not so sure about that .... The war didn't end until 1975 and Kissinger was telling the Chinese [who presumably told North Vietnam] that the US could live with a communist Vietnam in 1972 ... which wasn't what Nixon was telling the American people ...Henry A. KISSINGER quietly acknowledged to China in 1972 that Washington could accept a communist takeover of South Vietnam if that evolved after a withdrawal of U.S. troops -- even as the war to drive back the communists dragged on with mounting deaths. President Richard M. Nixon's envoy told Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai: "If we can live with a communist government in China, we ought to be able to accept it in Indochina."... KISSINGER told Zhou that the United States respected its Hanoi enemy as a "permanent factor" and probably the "strongest entity" in the region. "And we have had no interest in destroying it or even defeating it," he insisted... washingtonpost.com But if that's not sick enough for you try this one out... Message 23275677 jttmab