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To: c.hinton who wrote (6502)	5/21/2007 12:06:48 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 10087

That citizen has rights before the law.lawyer,formal accusation ,trail..... A suspected non american has no such rights...or so they would have us believe. This is a new concept to americans How many nazi POWs that where captured but not charged with a specific crime, went through a trial with a defense lawyer, multiple levels of appeal, the right to face their accuser, the right not to incriminate themselves etc.

To: c.hinton who wrote (6502)	5/21/2007 12:07:12 PM
From: Bill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 10087

Foreign enemy combatants have never had legal rights in the US.

To: c.hinton who wrote (6502)	5/21/2007 12:19:44 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 10087

"A suspected non american has no such rights...or so they would have us believe. At the foundation of our constitution is human rights. Jefferson coined the term for Americans, 'Inalienable Rights', indicating that they are God given or natural and uncompromisable by government. Jefferson also used the phrase that 'among these are', bla bla bla leaving us to understand that there is an open door of natural rights and they are not limited to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Certainly a value of do unto others is generic enough across religions and dogma that it is universal to human beings. Vindictive or sadistic torture is easily a crime against humanity. IMO