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Politics : The Truth About Islam -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: lorne who wrote (7652)	5/21/2007 10:09:46 PM
From: ExCane	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

"anti-islamists or moderate muslims need the military power of the USA and other countries to help the radicals understand" - I have posted that I see more than just the military solution, but I agree with you that a crushing merciless defeat would be the most effective single strtategy. Our current political climate doesn't yet show the majority of the populace to have the stomach for it. ( Can I plug this article just one more time? see “No Substitute for Victory” - The Defeat of Islamic Totalitarianism at theobjectivestandard.com ) "So the writer believes that if the western world blames islam for the problem that moderate muslims will side with the radicals even though the moderates know radicals are wrong" What I believe Jasser is trying to articulate is, that taking the approach that "islam is the problem" is not the way, because the Muslims would just recoil from a wholesale criticism like that. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't bother me, I just think that approach has a low probability of success. "Those that believe islam is responsible are in no way helping radical islamists or handing them the mantle of religion." I don't see Jasser as saying that. I think he meant that the types that say islam is the whole problem are not even aware of the moderate population. Think about this, do you know anybody outside the sphere of anti-jihadists here and places like this, that even know what the difference between a non-islamist Muslim and an islamist is?

To: lorne who wrote (7652)	5/22/2007 11:19:42 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

Fla. doctor convicted in terror case AP ^ \| 5/21/07 \| LARRY NEUMEISTER centredaily.com NEW YORK --A Florida doctor was convicted Monday of providing material support to terrorists by agreeing to treat injured al-Qaida fighters so they could return to Iraq to battle Americans. Dr. Rafiq Abdus Sabir, 52, was convicted in federal court in Manhattan after a three-week trial that featured testimony by him and Ali Soufan, an FBI agent who posed as an al-Qaida recruiter in a sting operation that led to four arrests. When the verdict was read, Sabir looked straight ahead. Later, as he was escorted from the courtroom, he waved to supporters, who said, "Stay strong." His lawyer, Ed Wilford, said, "We are deeply disappointed in the verdict." The charges against the New York-born Sabir, including conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, carry a potential maximum sentence of 30 years in prison. The verdict came after jurors heard audio tapes of a May 2005 ceremony in a Bronx apartment in which Sabir and his best friend, Tariq Shah, a martial arts expert and jazz musician, pledged loyalty to al-Qaida and, the government alleged, Osama bin Laden. Shah pleaded guilty just before trial to providing material support to a terrorist organization and agreed to serve 15 years in prison, though he has not been formally sentenced. A Brooklyn bookstore owner who pleaded guilty was sentenced to 13 years in prison. A Washington, D.C., cab driver has pleaded guilty and agreed to serve 15 years in prison. Sabir, of Boca Raton, Fla., testified at trial that Shah never told him he was talking with an al-Qaida recruiter. At the pledge ceremony, Soufan mispronounced al-Qaida more than a dozen times, Sabir said. He also said he did not know "sheik Osama" meant bin Laden.