To: roto who wrote (40827 ) 5/23/2007 2:36:17 AM From: E. Charters Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 78421 The responsibility is obviously our great xxxx grandparents, and since they screwed up the installed base, we are not responsible for its screwed up continuation. And anyway we can ignore our bratty children as they are all drug addicts or religious nuts, just as we trained them or drove them to it, or perhaps its genetic.. but anyway if we gave them any power they would only take six seconds to become herd corrupted and it would start all over again.. The problems are women and money. If we get rid of both of them, we would have no reason to climb to the top of the ant hill. Perhaps Skinner had it right. Put everyone in plastic boxes and whack their peepee if the lights go on when we show them filthy pictures of fed reserve notes. When they reach for something we whack them again.. kill ambition and you kill the drive to compete, screw the other guy... etc.. then the world will be a better place.. tigers will stop eating lambs. You know what gung ho means? "Gung ye ho", a Chinese military term meaning group co-operation to get a task done that one cannot do. A marine colonel saw that and reorganized the marines to be 'gung ho' and work together. Have to kill that too. A disorganized slothful group of people won't pollute or consume too much. We have to stay in our caves and be nice. All these moon shots and great things we must strive for. We must learn to be good turtles and migrate nicely with other species. Simple and more animalistic is better. I figure the problem is really not all the issues we are led to believe are hot buttons, but basic things we will not be able to do anything about, overpopulation.. and having governments. If anyone wants to be a leader, he should be killed. All conflict has come from great leaders, who are all psychopaths. The most peaceful era of England's history was when they had no king, and no government. Yes anarchy was good. Peace reigned. Do we need progress? Does it lessen suffering etc.. etc.. no evidence that primitives are measurably worse off than we.. overall.. EC<:-}