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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: neolib who wrote (12992)	5/27/2007 1:31:22 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 36921

Will Gore debate Kristen Byrnes on Global Warming? Not too long ago, Al Gore initially agreed to, and then refused to sit for a joint-interview/debate with noted environmental scientist (and global warming skeptic) Bjorn Lomborg. He also made some statements to the effect that the press should report on the issue of global warming without publishing dissenting views. He’s all about free speech and free exchange of ideas, is our Al. I’m wondering if Al Gore - who lately has endured a woman falling upon her knees before him, begging him to make another White House run (oh, please, do that, sir, right after we impeach Bush), and who clearly seems, despite his Hillaryesque denials, to have such a run in mind - would be amenable to a public debate with this 15 year old high school student who is impressively and credibly debunking Gore’s entire “Inconvenient Truth” by using actual science - imagine that! According to the step-father who is wisely watching her back: Kristen is one of those kids that never cease to amaze. During the 4 months she wrote this paper, she maintained a grade point average of 4.0 while participating on her school’s track and field team. Her most recent batch of progress reports average 98.4% with 100% in 4 classes. All of her classes are honors or college prep…If you disagree or feel there is incompleteness in any section, please identify the section with your comments. Please source your information. If you source a scientific study, you will need to attach it with any peer reviews and rebuttals that were published. She has stated that she will consider comments and make adjustments to her essay where appropriate. Somehow I doubt that Gore-adoree Girls like Katie Couric or Joy Behar or Oprah Winfrey would deign to interview this student or feature her impressive work, which includes many graphs and some experimentaqtion, or that Matt Lauer or Larry King will be seeking out her dissent, and that’s a shame, but you should check it out and encourage others to do so, as well. Aside from the scientific information Byrnes lays out, she takes “An Inconvenient Truth” apart, almost scene-by-scene, concurring with what she believes Gore got right, and convincingly taking a baseball bat to what she thinks he gets wrong. An excerpt: Farther into the movie, Al explains the greenhouse gas effect. He presents a graphic that shows the sun’s rays heating the Earth’s surface resulting in infrared rays going from the Earth’s surface and back into space. His graphic suggests that some of the outgoing radiation is reflected from the top of the atmosphere and back to Earth. This idea is the basis of anthropogenic (man made) global warming theory. He fails to mention that this effect has never been measured, only calculated, and by scientists on one side of the debate. This is one of the most hotly debated issues in the global warming debate. Not only does this issue involve complicated theoretical quantum physics, but water vapor absorbs infrared radiation. As is often the case in global warming presentations, he forgets that water vapor is by far the most abundant greenhouse gas; 3 to 4 percent of the atmosphere. And this is important because at most, man-made greenhouse gases are 1/ 10,000 of Earth’s atmosphere. With his description of greenhouse gases he presented a cartoon clip of the innocent sunrays being beaten up by the Greenhouse Gasses. But is water vapor really a bad thing? Al also discusses the late Charles Keeling, a scientist who measured atmospheric carbon dioxide for many years. Al accurately describes how the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere rises and falls with the seasons and why. He shows how Dr. Keeling measured a steady rise in carbon dioxide as the years went by, a trend often called the Keeling Curve. While some people still dispute the levels of man-made carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, I do not. For many years, carbon dioxide has been measured in many places and by many means; the results are almost identical in almost every instance. gaw.kishou.go.jp Next, Al gets right to business showing some of the worlds receding glaciers. According to the national Snow and Ice Data Center, most glaciers around the world are receding. But when you look at scientific studies on individual glaciers you begin to understand that temperature is not always the cause and that all of the glaciers that Al mentions have been retreating for over 100 years. She concludes: It’s easy to see why Al gore’s movie should not be shown in schools. An Inconvenient Truth is a political commercial that misrepresents a whole area of science. He admittedly uses scare tactics to get people to listen then shows them a professional slide show that blames every thing bad on so called man made global warming. Al did not make and publicize this movie because he cares; something obvious when you consider his own lifestyle. He did not make this movie to run for president. This movie has grossed over 60 million dollars to date and it hasn’t even made it to cable. Al charges over $100,000 per slide show. But the real money that Al will make is through his new company, Generation Investment Management, a company that seeks to establish the rules and licensing for the new carbon-trading scheme. We have all heard of politicians who lie for money and power; it looks as if Al did not retire after all. Well, sir, if you wouldn’t debate Lomborg, will you debate Byrnes? theanchoressonline.com

To: neolib who wrote (12992)	5/27/2007 2:59:55 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Wow - my great aunt only lived to 104 years old. Just think what a long life she could have had if she gave up red meat and whiskey!