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To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (99114)	5/28/2007 7:02:06 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

"That is what he is buying carbon credits for. " from a company he owns, what a scam. do you see that scam ???

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (99114)	5/28/2007 8:05:43 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 173976

Carbon "Offsets" The idea of a "carbon offset" is that when you do something that causes carbon dioxide emissions to increase you might at the same time donate money to a cause that reduces atmospheric carbon dioxide by a similar amount. However, not all "carbon offsets" truly offer the sort of straightforward one-for-one trade that the term "offset" implies. Some of the "carbon offsets" are nothing but pork-barrel subsidies to energy producers, and their net effect on carbon emissions is problematic. Subsidizing "good" energy in order to justify using "bad" energy is like eating salad in order to justify eating dessert. It is an exercise in self-deception. (In this context, good energy means energy that is produced with little or no emission of carbon into the atmosphere.) For example, consider a "carbon offset" that consists of a subsidy to good energy. As The Economist blog points out, just because energy-user A gives energy-user B a subsidy to use good energy does not necessarily mean that energy-user B will reduce her own use of bad energy, or that her reduction will actually lead to reduced production of bad energy. All we know is that the subsidy to B's use of good energy will lead to price changes. These, in turn, depending on features of demand and supply in various markets, may reduce pollution by little or nothing. For example, at least part of B's response to the subsidy will be to increase her total energy consumption rather than merely substituting good energy for bad energy. Furthermore, her supplier of bad energy, faced with high fixed costs and low variable costs, may lower the price of bad energy in order to keep B's demand for bad energy at a high level. tcsdaily.com

To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (99114)	5/29/2007 7:20:32 AM
From: tonto	Respond to of 173976

Sign seen in front of Al Gore’s mansion in Nashville’s posh Belle Meade neighborhood Thursday afternoon. Here’s the link to the meeting agenda for the next meeting of the Belle Meade Board of Zoning Appeals, which includes Gore’s solar project. (Belle Meade is a section of the city of Nashville that governs its own zoning.) No details on the size of the solar panels, how much power they’ll generate, or whether or not they’ll be tied into the grid via a “net metering” arrangement so Gore can sell excess power to the grid. Tennessee is not a mandatory “net metering” state, though the local electric utility that serves Gore’s house does offer the option for customers who generate their own power. Nashville Electric Service, which distributes Tennessee Valley Authority power, allows customers to sign up for TVA’s “Generation Partners” program, which buys customer-generated “green” power at a rate of 15 cents per kilowatt hour. No word if Gore himself will be at the zoning board meeting to make the case for why he should be allowed to put solar panels on his house. For all the grief - deserved, I believe - that I and others have given Gore for his use of “carbon offsets” to pretend to be “carbon neutral” rather than actually personally living the he wants others to live (while some people actually do the hard work to live green), it’s good to see him trying to “walk the walk” with solar panels.