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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: JBTFD who wrote (81123)	5/31/2007 5:32:55 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

"The fact is with many righties, even when it is proven in a court of law that their leader has been corrupt, it doesn't put a dent in their blind belief in their ideology." ehh ... I'm tempted to just say, "So what?" but I wont because it is an important concern of mine also. There are people so psychologically bound to a group that they stand in support of the group, headless of good or bad conduct by the group. This is very close to my definition of extremism. Those who violate the founding principles of the group to advance some secondary agenda of the group are extremists. It is the commitment to some group or partisan agenda, that justifies (in your own mind) the abandonment of reason, truth, and just conduct. The cost is a principled identity of self. If you are to abandon all reason for the sake of loyalties to a group, if you will limit justice to better devote yourselves to dogma, if you are to deny conscience and compromise purpose or principle to claim your places on this Earth among fellows, let my place be a cave and let my fellows be those who join me in my separation from the likes of you all.

To: JBTFD who wrote (81123)	5/31/2007 5:41:34 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

"As far as intelligence is concerned, I stand by my assertion that one who believes that the soldiers who misbehaved at Abu Graib did so independently and that none of the chain of command or private contractors had anything to do with it deserves to have their intelligence or lack of it insulted." And I stand by my assertion that if you are to use intelligence as your measure, it must be based on your willingness to establish your argument on reason founded upon substance ... not belief. You are contradicting yourself. The easy substantial facts are that the chain of command is populated by both left and right wingers. The evidence has been reviewed internally and externally by critics of all colors. It is possible that there is more evidence to be uncovered and that a person or persons higher in the chain of command is complicit in the crime of terrorism, however there is currently vast amounts of evidence and none of it reveals that complicity. Those are the facts. There is only your allegation based on an assertion of beliefs, which might be tainted by a partisan agenda, having nothing to do with your intelligence, mine, or anyone's naivete.