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Politics : Israel to U.S. : Now Deal with Syria and Iran -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: philv who wrote (15392)	6/3/2007 12:33:34 PM
From: sea_urchin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

Phil > I just don't understand why Ahmadinejad uses these provocative words which he must know enflames the situation and adds ammunition to those who would use any excuse for war. I think it's self-evident -- he is provoking Israel to do its worst, whatever that is, and if they don't their paranoia gets cranked up even higher. He's driving them crazy, in other words. Meanwhile, there is much confusion regarding what he actually did say. en.wikipedia.org >>Juan Cole, a University of Michigan Professor of Modern Middle East and South Asian History, translates the Persian phrase as: The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad).[10] According to Cole, "Ahmadinejad did not say he was going to 'wipe Israel off the map' because no such idiom exists in Persian" and "He did say he hoped its regime, i.e., a Jewish-Zionist state occupying Jerusalem, would collapse."[11] The Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) translates the phrase similarly: [T]his regime that is occupying Qods [Jerusalem] must be eliminated from the pages of history.[12] Iran has repeatedly rejected the allegations that Ahmadinejad has stated 'Israel must be wiped off the map'. [13][14][15] On 20 February 2006, Iran’s foreign minister denied that Tehran wanted to see Israel “wiped off the map,” saying Ahmadinejad had been misunderstood. "Nobody can remove a country from the map. This is a misunderstanding in Europe of what our president mentioned," Manouchehr Mottaki told a news conference, speaking in English, after addressing the European Parliament. "How is it possible to remove a country from the map? He is talking about the regime. We do not recognise legally this regime," he said. [16][17][18]<<

To: philv who wrote (15392)	6/3/2007 3:32:42 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

I just don't understand why Ahmadinejad uses these provocative words which he must know enflames the situation and adds ammunition to those who would use any excuse for war. Oh.. I don't know about that... Put yourself in Ahmadinejad's place. His economic policies are ruinous, Iran is importing 40% of its refined petroluem products from abroad, for which is has to pay high prices, and then subsidize it so Iranians can afford it, and most importantly, his base of support are the Shi'a radicals who believe the Mahdi's advent is around the corner. What better way to deflect criticism than to rally the people around the traditional Muslim scapegoat.. the existence of Israel? And by continuing the militant rhetoric, he's forcing the Ayatollahs to continue to back him, and denying them the opportunity to ignore the traditional hatred of Israel that has been their rallying cry for over a quarter century. Hawk