1. I didn't call you a racist. I said you were ranting and calling people names. You were. In fact, you're still ranting.
I apologize for the "racist" bit. That was anticipatory; it's a common charge against anyone against illegal immigration.
Ranting? On this subject you'd better get used to it. I haven't even started. And if McCain gets the Republican nomination in '08, I'm going 3rd party.
2. You're, quite frankly, FOS. Resident aliens - a.k.a. "green card" holders or legal immigrants - ARE eligible for both Medicaid and unemployment insurance. They're even eligible for Social Security. Illegal immigrants are eligible for none of these things, even though many actually do pay into the latter.
Illegals?
"This study is one of the first to estimate the total impact of illegal immigration on the federal budget. Most previous studies have focused on the state and local level and have examined only costs or tax payments, but not both. Based on Census Bureau data, this study finds that, when all taxes paid (direct and indirect) and all costs are considered, illegal households created a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion in 2002. We also estimate that, if there was an amnesty for illegal aliens, the net fiscal deficit would grow to nearly $29 billion.
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Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion)."
cis.org
"A study by the Federation for American Immigration Reform estimated that in 2004 the annual uncompensated cost of medical care for illegal immigrants in California was $1.4 billion. Total uncompensated educational, health care and incarceration costs were estimated to be 10.5 billion.
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Federal laws provide states incentives to provide Medicaid coverage to illegal immigrants. All state Medicaid programs offer an endless list of services, with some states, such as Florida, literally including the kitchen sink if home repairs and maintenance are needed. Only four states check for citizenship before awarding Medicaid. California escalated – in one year – from 450,000 illegal aliens on Medi-Cal (California's version of Medicaid) in 2002 to 750,000 in 2003.
Medi-Cal covers well-baby maternity care, delivery expenses and long-term care that are incurred for children born to illegal immigrants. Thus "anchor babies" become medical insurance policies. "
newsmax.com
Want more? I've got 'em.
FOS? Gee, did somebody say they had a problem with name calling?
Oh. Some guy shows up with a driver's license and SS card and applies for Medicaid. Says he's a US citizen. How do you prove he's not? Considering that the 1986 amnesty required employers to verify citizenship or face fines? And they can't BECAUSE THE FEDS HAVE YET (20 YEARS LATER!) TO PROVIDE THEM A SYSTEM TO DO IT?
Did you know you can buy fake ID in any large city in the US? Sales are especialy brisk along our southern border.
signonsandiego.com
Legal (Green card):
Your point:
"III. CITIZENSHIP AND IMMIGRATION STATUS
Anyone who applies for assistance must provide information regarding his or her immigration status and citizenship. To be eligible for Medicaid, NC Health Choice for Children, Food Stamp benefits, and Work First assistance and applicant must be a U. S. citizen or a qualified alien. (See MA-3330, Citizen/Alien Requirements, of the Family and Children’s Medicaid manual, MA-2504, Citizen/Alien Requirements, of the Aged, Blind, and Disabled manual, WF-111, Citizenship/Immigrant Rules, of the Work First manual and FS-225, United States Citizenship and Alien Status, of the Food Stamp manual.)
An alien who does not have verification of his/her citizenship or immigration status may contact INS to obtain the necessary verification. If an alien does not provide proof of citizenship or immigration status, the caseworker has no responsibility to contact INS on the alien’s behalf and should cease any attempts to verify status, unless assistance is requested by the applicant. Treat this individual as an ineligible alien until verification is provided.
A alien who does not meet the specific requirements of a qualified alien is a non-qualified alien and ineligible to receive assistance except for emergency Medicaid. Individuals who chooses not to provide information regarding their citizenship will not be included in the case and will not receive benefits, but other household members who do provide proof of their immigration status can still receive benefits, if otherwise eligible.
Applicants for emergency Medicaid are not required to provide information regarding their citizenship or immigration status.
IV. REPORTING ILLEGAL ALIENS
Medicaid does not report illegal aliens to the INS."
info.dhhs.state.nc.us
BTW, what is this crap of "Medicaid does not report illegal aliens to the INS." I thought we had ONE federal gov't and ONE set of federal laws.
And nobody's arguing "emergency" here. He came in through the ER, same as I did. Federal law requires an ER to stabilize a patient, PERIOD, then they can dump them on the public system for further care. But they can't turn away a patient in serious medical trouble. This is also part of the "illegal" problem. AFTER they're done, the hospital tries to find a payor. In my case (and I presume his) that was medical insurance. He had been working as an engineer and presumably had insurance. He was in that hospital in the "stable" part of the heart attack/stroke ward, so presumably the hospital assumed it had reasonably assured payment. (WHY he waqs in the "stable" area is beyond me; someone as using a very interesting definition of "stable".)
BUT back to the point: In the case of an illegal there IS no one to bill. That means you, I, or our med insurance pays for that illegal (or possibly our taxes in in the case of many community public hospitals).
And the fact that they often can't get paid is why so many hospitals are closing their ERs. And you think this has no effect on you, eh? Where you going for your MI?
3. As for what we "used to do in this country", we USED to have a guest worker program until organized labor killed it in the 1960s.
4. Another thing we "used to do in this country" is the same thing many anti-immigration zealots are doing today - screaming and shouting about how "we're being overrun", that "they're destroying our culture" because "they refuse to learn English", and other similar nonsense. The same things were said about Irish, Italian, Greek, Eastern European, Chinese (especially Chinese!) and God knows how many other waves of immigrants to this country, many of whom were no more legal than today's illegal immigrants.
I'm of Irish ancestry. Ever hear of "No Irish Need Apply"?
BTW, why DO you have a problem with US citizens knowing English?
At one time, immigrating here just meant stepping off the ship's gangplank.
Them Ellis and Alcatraz Islands were instituted, but they were primarily public health to stop people from bringing in communicable diseases. Here's most of the beginning:
"1882 The Chinese Exclusion Act prohibited certain laborers from immigrating to the United States.
1885 and 1887 Alien Contract Labor laws which prohibited certain laborers from immigrating to the United States.
1891 The Federal Government assumed the task of inspecting, admitting, rejecting, and processing all immigrants seeking admission to the U.S.
1892 On January 2, a new Federal US immigration station opened on Ellis Island in New York Harbor.
1903 This Act restated the 1891 provisions concerning land borders and called for rules covering entry as well as inspection of aliens crossing the Mexican border.
1907 The US immigration Act of 1907 reorganized the states bordering Mexico (Arizona, New Mexico and a large part of Texas) into Mexican Border District to stem the flow of immigrants into the U.S.
1917 - 1924 A series of laws were enacted to further limit the number of new immigrants. These laws established the quota system and imposed passport requirements. They expanded the categories of excludable aliens and banned all Asians except Japanese."
Here:
" 1986 Act Focused on curtailing illegal US immigration. It legalized hundred of thousands of illegal immigrants. It also introduced the employer sanctions program which fines employers for hiring illegal workers. It also passed tough laws to prevent bogus marriage fraud."
That's worked well, hasn't it?
rapidimmigration.com
Crap me no crap about what the situation was in 1850. The laws are different now. Slavery was once legal; shall we bring it back? I really doubt they will go peacefully and I don't blame them even slightly.
5. One thing I'm pretty sure we've never done, though, is sentence anyone to "a couple bad years in the slammer" just for being here illegally. Deported, sure, but jail time requires some greater crime than being caught picking peaches without a green card. You see, Laz, "unlawful presence" in the US is NOT a felony. It's not even criminal. Removal hearings aren't even criminal proceedings - they are civil. Nor does it, by itself, automatically render the individual ineligible for lawful reentry at a later date. Lastly, "unlawful entry", which IS a criminal offense but only a misdemeanor for a first offense, is rarely prosecuted - for lots of good reasons.
How old are you? And where do you live?
ANYONE from anywhere near the Mexican border in the 1950's and 1960's KNOWS THAT WAS WHAT WAS DONE! YOU'RE citing CURRENT law; CURRENT LAW is part of the problem, not the solution!
But:
"Immigration Offenders in the Federal Criminal Justice System, 2000 Describes the number of immigration offenders prosecuted in the Federal court between 1985 and 2000. The report examines the impact of the enactment of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1986 on prosecutions. This act authorized increases in INS law enforcement activities and personnel and required longer sentences for immigration offenders with serious criminal histories. The report includes the number of persons evaluated for prosecution by the U.S. Attorneys, the nationality of persons investigated, characteristics and criminal histories of defendants, trends in prosecutions of immigration offenders, defendants adjudicated, and immigration offenders under correctional supervision. The data in the report are from the BJS Federal Justice Statistics Program."
fjsrc.urban.org
" Highlights include the following:
* The number of defendants prosecuted for an immigration offense rose from 6,605 in 1996 to 15,613 in 2000.
* Average time to be served by immigration offenders entering Federal prison increased from about 4 months in 1986 to 21 months in 2000.
* 57% of suspected immigration offenders were Mexican citizens; 7%, U.S. citizens; 3%, Chinese; and 28%, all other nationalities."
ojp.usdoj.gov
THAT'S current law!
5. "STOP IT! NOW!" is not a solution, whether typed in all caps, shouted from the roof-tops or however else you might want to deliver your battle cry.
It is a solution except to those who REFUSE to recognize that it is. That seems to be mostly far left liberals. Even the more centric liberals admit is and want it.
tripso.com
29% say the bill is "awful"; 58% say it on't matter because it on't be enforced anyway; 1986 redux. 29% is #2 in the percentage ranks (obviously). |
