To: Taro who wrote (339594 ) 6/6/2007 2:30:40 AM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1577883 Sorry for being substantial. I only charge 160$/Hr for teaching relevant stuff, consider it. Ahhh, right, with a $50 premium for school teachers. You know what Taro.....once again, I will have to pop the bubble of your arrogance. You clearly aren't worth $160 and certainly not 160 €. Why? Well, let's break down your post that alleges to invalidate my post on the subject. You said: "Dutch historically is a West German dialect!" There is no real dialect called a West German dialect:genealogienetz.de However there is what is called the West Germanic languages of which Dutch is one: "The West Germanic languages constitute the largest branch of the Germanic family of languages and include languages such as German, English and Frisian, as well as Dutch and Afrikaans. The other branches of the Germanic languages are the North and East Germanic languages."answers.com Deutsch - doitsu in Japanese by the way - in Scandinavia is Tysk and given the history of the languages it seems quite understandable that the Anglo Saxon heritage in the British language didn´t really distinguish between Deutsch and Dutch. Wrong again: "The word "Dutch" does not refer to the people of the Netherlands. "Dutch" here is left over from an archaic sense of the English word "Dutch" (compare German Deutsch, Dutch duits), which once referred to all people speaking a West Germanic language on the European mainland." en.wikipedia.org As a teacher you shouldn't believe (belongs in the Church) or suspect (in the PD, please) but know or at least look up prior to opening your mouth. In English, one uses the verbs 'believe" or 'suspect' when one is more likely to be theorizing rather than stating fact. Those are nuances in the language that maybe only a native speaker fully gets. In fact, in my post, I unintentionally demonstrated 'critical thinking'......a concept considered important to the American educational system. Having said all that, neither of us have really answered Ten's question which is why "ein Deutscher" is "a German" in English.