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To: Suma who wrote (38274)	6/6/2007 4:13:23 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541824

Funny- Iktomi and I were just talking about Ron Paul this morning. I didn't know much about him, but went to his website to see his positions, and I find I am in agreement with many of them (being fairly conservative fiscally but having strong libertarian leanings). I just don't see how he can separate himself from the pack and get the nomination, though. Right now, I can't stomach any of the leaders in either party. I bet the man you talked to represents many, many conservatives who feel betrayed by the Rep party and Bush. But voting for Hillary or universal health care is going to create a terrible dilemma for them. I have no idea which way I will go- I know which ways I don't want to go, but that includes pretty much all of them.

To: Suma who wrote (38274)	6/6/2007 5:00:32 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541824

Suma; is to take a State like Montana and bring Israel all over her. Then we will have the best minds in the world working for us and peace and security with the Palestinians.. Montana! How about Texas. Climate is closer to what they are use to. steve

To: Suma who wrote (38274)	6/7/2007 6:49:27 AM
From: Mike McFarland	Respond to of 541824

<The stock market is buoyed up...> People have become more sophisticated and to a degree cynical about the stock market since the mid 1980s. Folks understand that bull markets and bear markets tend to run on for a few years (you can call this latest cycle dot com lite) but if the market trends down for any length of time longer than a few days, they'll bail. Presto, the beginning of a bear market that, again, lasts a few years. <the rich get richer and the children and middle class suffer> The economy is not doing badly at all now, the middle class is comfortable for the time being (a big thank you to cheap money of course...) < trying to win over Putin > Putin knows American foreign policy is weakened by Iraq, it is a good time for him to flex his muscle. The EU needs to come down hard on him right now. <We are despised in most of the world> America is despised only in half of the Arab world, so what? <Spending is out of control in government> Medicare and Social Security are the biggies. Even the Pentagon comes in far behind entitlements. The AARP set will bankrupt America before bumbling foreign policy does it. Still, Iraq has been a foolish waste of lives and money. < Saudi Arabia,Kuwait,South Korea> We have military bases all over the planet. We don't abandon them because it would create a vacuum. If Japan and South Korea were stronger, maybe we could leave that region. The EU can obviously run Europe, so I don't know why Bush is flexing there. As far as leaving the Arab world, ha! The oil must flow. <our border's own security> Migrant workers are not a threat. Ron Paul is a smart fellow and all that, but building fences wont do a thing for America. Growth and inflation must persist--immigrants legal or not must come here--who do you think picks your food and cleans the office towers?! The economy cannot stand with no growth--this isn't Sweden. There is only one solution for debt debt debt--inflate, you can't go back again. Gold bugs can fantasize all they want, but the dollar really is too big to fail (or be replaced by gold or silver or barter). The dollar just very slowly loses air, so be it. <It's a dangerous environment right now not so much from terrorists but from our own government> That is insipid. Nobody is wire tapping your phone, you're not that interesting! And terrorism isn't the threat that it is made out to be either (probably). It is easy to get worked up, but slow change in the correct direction is the way to go. That is why a fellow like Ron Paul is too radical. Granted, the two party system is a little bit of a sham, political power and money sort of all go together, but we have law and order here and that is something. America is a wonderful country. The public debt is too large, and there are flaws in our system, but don't expect a radical constitutionalist to overthrow such a stable system--the document isn't sacred, it isn't the old testament. People learn, they evolve, things change. And we have stability--stability is good, Ron Paul almost sounds like an anarchist to me. Most people have it awfully good, there is a lot more than a chicken in every pot. Don't get me wrong, I do like Ron Paul, he is spot on about a lot of stuff. But he isn't going to be the next President--and even if he was, he would be ineffective. Congress is so much bigger (and stupider!) than this one fellow. You think the Federal Reserve and the banking system are going to let this guy near the White House? <peace and security with the Palestinians> Jews are not going to leave the Holy Land and move to Montana. Gosh, if only there were no Holy Land. God should really come down here and set all that straight-- command everybody to get along, or else! (God of course is far too busy keeping track of every molecule in the Universe to bother with Humanity...)