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To: sea_urchin who wrote (15453)	6/8/2007 12:13:17 AM
From: Cyprian	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 22250

I can, however, say I frequently watch Russian TV (in English) and I have seen how various branches of the Russian Orthodox Church have become reunited, since before the Bolshevik Revolution, and with great rejoicing amongst the members. I have also seen that the Russian Orthodox Church is building a cathedral in London. I'm sure you are familiar with these happenings. Yes, the shameful union to which you refer took place on May 17. It will go down in history as a day of great apostasy. The present-day Moscow Patriarchate was a creation of Stalin. Of course the Jewish-Bolsheviks murdered the Imperial Russian Family along with millions of Orthodox Christians in Russia. They destroyed thousands of churches. You ended up with basically four groups. 1) The first group were those who would not capitulate to the godless authorities and therefore went to their glorious martyrdom. This would include Tsar-martyr Nicholas II, Empress Alexandra and their children who are now saints which intercede on our behalf with Christ. Of course there were millions of common folk as well, not just the Royal Family. 2) Some of the faithful fled the persecution and left Russia for other lands. Under the direction of St. Tikhon the last true Patriarch of Russia, an administrative organization of bishops was setup outside of Russia. This is the origin of what for decades has been called the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia, or (ROCOR). Others call this remnant church of Russians who emigrated (ROCA) or the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. 3) Some of the faithful stayed in Russia hiding in what are commonly referred to as the catacombs. This became the "catacomb church in Russia", which had to operate as best as it could in secrecy to be able to function. 4) The fourth group are those who due to the persecutions that took place apostasized from the Faith and capitulated to the godless authorities. Now of course the bolsheviks/soviets wanted to completely annihilate the Church and do away with it, but God would not allow that to happen. So when WWII came about, Stalin appeared to ease up on the persecution of the Church in Russia so he could co-opt it and use the Church as a unifying element in his war. Of course I am speaking of the "official" pseudo-Church. Stalin continued to persecute the true catacomb Christians, who rightfully wanted nothing to do with a Stalin-backed and controlled "Church". He wanted the Church on his side purely for political motives. It would have been difficult to fight in the War with the country divided. However Stalin would only allow this pseudo-church in Russia to operate if they would recognize the godless soviet regime as legitimate. Well to do this is an act of apostasy, since the clear aim of the state was to eradicate Christianity. Of course the first groups that I mentioned would never accept this as the real Church, but only a false creation of Stalin and the god-fighting and authorities. Now the second group that I mentioned, the faithful who fled, ended up in Europe and America and other parts all over the World. They naturally built churches wherever they settled and you can't have a church without bishops so they would naturally come under the jurisdiction of ROCOR, not wanting anything to do with the false-church back in Russia which was now tacitly co-operating with the Soviets. Being in the West afforded them a safe-haven free from the persecution they had experienced in their motherland, so naturally they used this opportunity to sharply condemn the Soviet authorities and the apostates posing as the church who co-operated with them. So the ROCOR (Russian Church Outside of Russia) would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate or the ROC -- Russian Orthodox Church as they would style themselves. Well the original organizing authority for the existence of ROCOR was only temporary, predicated on the notion that the persecution would some day end and all the disjointed parts of the Church in Russia could one day be reunited under the original lawful authority. With the supposed fall of communism in the late eighties and early nineties, the argument by the apostate bishops of ROCOR is now there is no longer any persecution of Christianity in Russia. Christians are free to practice their faith without any persecution by the present authorities. Well of course this is an incredibly naive and erroneous take on the situation. First of all, communism and capitalism are both Jewish creations, opposite sides of the same coin, with the same ultimate goal. That is, to concentrate ever-increasing amounts of wealth in fewer and fewer hands. Under communism private property is abolished and supposedly there is public ownership. Well obviously with communism you still have to have people who administer all the assets and of course it was the Jews who wanted to run the show. Of course if capitalism operates unchecked without some sort ot restraining authority, you end up with similar results. Large concentrations of wealth in very few hands. This is all that has happened in Russia. It used to be the Jewish communists administered the Soviet state, living a life of luxury while the masses were enslaved. Nothing has changed, except they've put a new face on the situation. Now Russia is suddenly not communist anymore, but capitalist. Instead of a bunch of Jewish communists running the show and controlling all the wealth, you have Jewish oligarchs controlling the country instead. Now the apostates in the Church Outside of Russia lie to their flock and tell them that everything is changing for the better in Russia. Some of the simple-minded sort fall for their lies. Others have simply left and will not recognize the false-union. They are seeking asylum under other bishops. (Orthodoxy Christianity is not like Protestantism where you can just start your own church without bishops or else you can simply appoint yourself bishop!) At any rate, even if it could be argued that there no longer is any persecution of the faithful in Russia (which is simply not true), does that automatically make them Orthodox? Most people would say that America is not "communist", but is free. Does that mean the Orthodox should unite with all the so-called Christian churches in America? Of course not. Orthodox can only have spiritual and prayerful communion with other Orthodox. The holy canons instituted many centuries ago by the holy Apostles do not permit Orthodox to enter into the gatherings of Jews or heretics (i.e. Moslems, Papists, Protestants, etc.) and pray or take part in the mockeries they call services. Orthodox are also not allowed to pray with non-Christians and heretics even in private homes. So obviously the overriding factor must first and foremost be, is the so-called ROC (Russian Orthodox Church) Orthodox or not? They are not, for variety of reasons that I will not go into detail right now. So true Orthodox Christians will have nothing to do with those apostates masquerading as Orthodox which you saw on Russian TV last May 17th.