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To: Cyprian who wrote (15476)	6/8/2007 8:10:25 AM
From: sea_urchin	Respond to of 22250

Cyprian > Why does anything need to drive evolution? You keep asking "why", like a child, if you don't mind me saying. I don't know why, and about a lot of things, and neither does anyone else. But it's clear that evolution is a process where one species changes or transforms into another because all species were not present at any one geological time. It can also be shown by a circumstantial argument, if you will, that one species precedes another. The recognition of geological time is a relatively easy thing to do, especially in sedimentary rocks, because the strata are there to see like annual rings in the trunk of a tree. And even creationists know that small trees have few rings and old trees have many. All trees were not created as they are at any moment. Things keep changing all the time, and so does the earth, and as result of forces we know and also don't know. Because we don't know all the forces for change it's absurd to say that God is changing everything all the time. But people do say that because they prefer to keep their minds in pre-historic times when no one knew any better. > Who was this who invented an idea of the Creator 4,000 years ago? Isn't that mentioned in Genesis? One of the chapters in the Bible, or so they tell me. > it appears that you are not an Evolutionist after all, but an opportunist. In other words you will believe in ANYTHING but the idea of a Creator. Yes, basically, until I can see proof positive that a creator exists. For a start, the idea that the Creator is a He is absurd. Or is that God's father? > you admit that the theory of Evolution is chock full of holes. But you don't want to face the alternative, a Creator who created you, because then you would have to be accountable to the Creator. That's an absurd argument. The idea of creation came about by ignorant and superstitious people why knew of nothing else than gods as the reason for everything in the world. As science has progressed we have learned a LITTLE about the reasons for many things. So much so, there is every possibility we will learn more in time to come, but we can't be sure about that either because science is also riddled with science fiction these days. But this is a subject for another discussion. The idea of where the earth comes from has nothing to do with being answerable to a Creator. That's just someone's idea that if there is a Creator then He's boss and we have to do what He says. And that's why there are different religions because different people have tried to get into the business of telling others what to do. So we can go around in a circle with that, persecuting each other and stealing one anothers' land etc. BTW, your beloved Christianity has nothing to do with Jesus -- except in name. He wasn't a Christian. For what it's worth he was a renegade Jew -- like me. > And since you are a secular-humanist you place MAN above GOD. You are your own god. Of course. Man invented God or god or gods, whatever you want you can find. The idea of god is fiction from time immemorial just dressed up for the occasion in different clothes over the years and to suit different peoples' tastes and fantasies. > If you were to acknowledge God as your Maker, then that might open up a whole realm of possibilities, such as expectations that God has for you. Wrong. It's not God's expectations at all. It's the expectations of some or other religion posing as the agent of God, trying to manipulate me to get my money or whatever. And if, btw, I really did believe there was a God I certainly wouldn't subscribe to any religion. I would get as far away as possible from human beings and anything they have made or done and sit by myself, alone, in silence.