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To: epicure who wrote (14258)	6/10/2007 12:26:01 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

"it doesn't mean that given enough time we wouldn't know everything, had we unlimited time, and it doesn't mean there is any God centered reason why we couldn't. Or at least I don't see a logical connection. Do you see one?" You'd have to define enough time. Enough time to study a limited problem like the average size of a flies wings would be doable if we put enough minds on the problem over sufficient time. But that would be limited to the flies existing in the current sense. We may have lost evidence forever of ancient species of flies. We don't know whether flies of the future would be enormous or microscopic and have no way to determine changes in our biosystems that could provide a definitive answer. So for this one, fairly observable trait in flies we can't nail down what would be enough time. Enough time to study something relies on the something being a constant. Unlimited time is not the same as eternity although it suggests that time is no object. Time in this sense is an object however. The Universe, as we know it is unlimited in its ability to generate objects and diversity of objects for us to know about. "and it doesn't mean there is any God centered reason why we couldn't. Or at least I don't see a logical connection. Do you see one?" It doesn't say much about God except as a characteristic. The situation, however, says that we are limited, have always been limited, and lends to the belief that we will always be limited in this temporal (limited) existence. The all knowing reference is a reference to something that is not limited. By most people's definitions that extends beyond the temporal (limited) creatures. That seems to contradict your belief that given enough time all things are knowable by us.

To: epicure who wrote (14258)	6/10/2007 8:09:43 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

Be careful when you use that term AGNOSTIC. Here is a funny TRUE story. My wife is Filipina, I had a good friend who was one of the nicest guys you could imagin. My wife liked him a lot. She wanted to fix him up with a girl friend of hers that turned out to be VERY RELIGIOUS, ie two of her sisters were NUNS. The subject of religion never came up between my friend and my wife and I. Anyhow, my wife arranged for a "double date" with us and them. This girl was extremely attractive and my friend liked her right off the bat. Things seemed to be going well when she casually asked my friend what religion he was. He replied AGNOSTIC, well the girl nearly fainted, that ENDED the date right then and there. Turned out, her being Filipina, she wasnt that knowledgeable in English and thought it had something to do with DEVIL WORSHIP. The result, she never saw the guy again though he pleaded with her, and even would never again speak to my wife. jdn