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To: combjelly who wrote (340030)	6/11/2007 11:53:01 AM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1571398

I do agree with pretty much everything you say -- Northern attitudes towards blacks are pretty bad -- Northern cities may be even more segregated than southern cities and the class disparity between whites and blacks may be greater. The truth is, that since the 1890s, the most racist places in the country might be Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan. The last minstrel shows were held in the late '60s in Burlingon Vermont, and South Boston was the last place to desegregate its schools. However, these facts just can't justify the display of the Confederate flag. They do, however, justify affirmative action (to some degree). -Z

To: combjelly who wrote (340030)	6/11/2007 2:27:26 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571398

Because slavery was wrong. As was what happened to the Jews, Gypsy's and the others in Nazi Germany. And yes, there is still lingering resentment towards those groups, even today. Blacks do have problems in the South. But they have problems outside of the South. In some respects, their problems may be even greater. At least in the South, there is not quite the economic disparity that exists in the rest of the country. As Harris has pointed out, these days we go to the same churches, work for the same employers and get buried in the same cemeteries. There likely aren't many Northern communities that can say the same. Except for the tokens who managed to claw their way to the top. You know, the "substantial property" group. I have had this discussion with natives of the old North before. The fact of the matter is that your history education is, if anything, more whitewashed than ours. Unless you study history post high school, you have a biased background. Was the old South perfect? No. We can both agree on that. It was great for those who had money, but that was true of the North. At least during the Civil War, the wealthy Southerners were expected to contribute both money and bodies, something that wealthy Northerners were able to avoid. I think you vastly underestimate the educational system of the north. As a high school student, I was well aware that discrimination against blacks in the North is as great if not greater than in the South. We were taught that the relationship between blacks and whites was much different in the South than in the North; that blacks live much closer to whites physically than they do in the North. We also discussed the paternalistic relationship that existed between some southern Whites and their negro slaves. And that it was much easier for the North to not rely on the cheap labor that negro slaves provided. Nonetheless, the notion of slavery, the owning of other humans, colors all of that history. I think Southerners are guilty at times of glossing over that bit of reality and blaming the North's poor behavior after the Civil War for all its problems. The reality is the Southern economy pre Civil War was a train wreck waiting to happen. Any economy reliant on slavery for its cheap labor source is likely to fail. Granted that's 20/20 hindsight speaking but had the South been paying attention it would have realized that slavery was a passing faze. For much of the 19th century, the European powers did all they could to stop the trafficking of human slaves. It was only a matter of time before there would be no more slaves in large numbers being sold. Even had there not been a Civil War, the southern economy mostlikely would have suffered badly. I think that's the part of history that southerners tend to ignore.