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To: combjelly who wrote (340039)	6/11/2007 12:12:40 PM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1572167

>You aren't a Southerner. More importantly, you aren't a Southerner who decided to question the status quo. Not that I blame you or Z, that is just the way it is. I tell you three times(Louis Carroll) that reality is different, and more complex, that what you have been taught. Well, that's for sure. The history books are BS, for the most part. There are lots of things that are awful about the North. We know that Franklin Pierce, from New Hampshire, may have been our most pro-slavery President. We know that New York City (!) was pro-slavery in the South until 1863. We know that Lincoln didn't go to war to free the slaves. However, we also know that the main "states right" as far as the South was concerned as of 1861 was slavery, and that the Confederate flag is rightfully beyond insulting to blacks, so I continue to have no sympathy for anyone that wishes to betray it and have nothing but antipathy for "Southern heritage" as it pertains to the Confederacy. -Z

To: combjelly who wrote (340039)	6/11/2007 1:53:40 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572167

"I had never heard of a second flag.....the Stainless Banner. And I have never head the term, Stars and Bars." You aren't a Southerner. Or even a near one. Of course, I am not a Southerner and I wasn't suggesting you were lying about the names of the flags. The Lost Cause is near and dear to our hearts, it doesn't resonate with anyone else except for the closet racists. You might be surprised.......this northerner is not immune to what was the glory of the Old South and the song Dixie, although written before the Civil War, very much captures the pain of what that war did to the South and the losses it endured both in terms of human beings but in a distinct way of life. Yes, I am a northerner and can not feel what it is to be a southerner but I certainly get a taste of it. To simplify, the history is very complex. Unless you are a period history major, what you think you know is probably a pack of lies. American history, as taught in pre-university level is almost pure mythology. Which is a country-wide tragedy. I am not sure that its all "a pack of lies" but its true that details like the Stainless Banner are not taught to northern children at least when I was going through school. You aren't a Southerner. More importantly, you aren't a Southerner who decided to question the status quo. Not that I blame you or Z, that is just the way it is. I tell you three times(Louis Carroll) that reality is different, and more complex, that what you have been taught. No doubt but you have to do a lot of persuading to convince me that the 'reality' of the Old South was not unlike the gilding of the lily with faux gold........and unfortunately, slavery was an integral part of that reality.