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To: epicure who wrote (14291)	6/11/2007 2:48:24 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

"I will only tell you that based on studies out there it's pretty clear that almost all people lie, and the more social people are, and the more concerned they are about the way people perceive them, the more likely they are to lie. Which all meshes with the data we have that the socially successful people are likely to be the best liars." I am not very social at all. In fact it almost seems like I've made a hermitage of my life as a cocoon for my soul. I recently described my self as a cave dweller (virtual cave), you may have seen it. The Cave There is a certain kind of nobility one may hold on to (or lack) when joining the fray, regardless of which cause or side of an issue they may be defending. However, if you are to abandon all reason for the sake of loyalties to a group, if you will limit justice to further devotion of dogma, if you intend to discard conscience and compromise purpose or principle to claim your places on this Earth among fellows, let my place be a cave and let my fellows be those who join me in my separation from the likes of you all. That's my position and I'm committed to it.

To: epicure who wrote (14291)	6/13/2007 12:01:17 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 14758

I saw 'The Verdict' last night and Paul Newman's summation reminded me of our conversation here. It is true, as you suggest, that using deceitful strategies is a constant temptation to children and adults; and as you say there are measures taken everywhere to tamp down the tendency. The latter truth says as much as the former. The truth of Newman's summative speech is that we want to see the truth win, we want to see justice prevail, and when it does, we celebrate it as a victory over the seemingly insurmountable obstacles presented by social forms and authority.