To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (14328 ) 6/12/2007 12:18:24 AM From: one_less Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 14758 "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough....Einstein" Well, Einstein said that if you understand something well enough, no matter how advanced it is, you can explain it so simply that a child can understand it. I'm not Einstein and I'm not convinced you have the common sense God gave a child but I'll give it a shot. Definition number 2 from Websters works for my presentation. Entropy : 2. the degradation of the matter and energy in the universe to an ultimate state of inert uniformity b : a process of degradation or running down or a trend to disorder. I used two terms in my presentation 'singularity' and 'nothing' that work as synonyms to Websters use of the term uniformity. I describe two everyday observable phenomenon. I will try again with those two: 1) A wave is something we can detect but, once it is disorganized, it no longer is identified as a distinct thing; as we can later observe only the singularity of the pond. 2) A sound is a thing but quickly is nothing as it blends into the cosmos. The phenomenon of large amounts of space and matter, even whole solar systems, becoming undetectable once they've entered a black hole is described similarly. This is thought to be a gravitational type of collapse and cosmologists speculate that the universe is capable of a similar type of collapse back to a singularity of undetectability ... nothingness. Things are detectable because of the space they occupy in relation to other things. With singularity there is no relation of things and other things. So a banged universe could actually bang from nothing (singularity) following this logic, which neither confirms nor rejects the possibility of a willed universe. Personally, I think a longer explanation provides more clarity but you haven't seemed to get it either way ... I predict you wont again this time.