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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (14353)	6/13/2007 1:57:26 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 14758

Fine tuning is certainly real and not just something I've made up. Here are some sources which address the issue (all of them by non-believers of some sort - I figured including any religious people would put you off too much): amazon.co.uk The Goldilocks Enigma: Why Is the Universe Just Right for Life? by Paul Davies amazon.com Universes by John Leslie amazon.com The Anthropic Cosmological Principle (Oxford Paperbacks) by John D. Barrow (Author), Frank J. Tipler (Author), John A. Wheeler (Author) amazon.com The Accidental Universe by Paul Davies amazon.com The symbiotic universe: Life and mind in the cosmos by George Greenstein, Amherst astronomy professor amazon.com Just Six Numbers : The Deep Forces that Shape the Universe by Martin J. Rees amazon.com Intelligent Universe by Fred Hoyle I repeat - the folks above are all non-believers of some sort or other. A hostile witness is the best kind. These people wouldn't be writing about the issue is there weren't something really there. For example, Sir Fred Hoyle was an atheist despite writing things like this" "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question." Sir Fred Hoyle, "The Universe: Past and Present Reflections." Engineering and Science, November, 1981. p 8-12 ----------------------------------- These also address the issue of fine tuning but I believe they are by Christians. So be warned. home.messiah.edu Robin Collins Evidence of Fine Tuning web.ecs.baylor.edu Is There Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God? How the Recent Discoveries Support a Designed Universe Dr. Walter L. Bradley ----------------------- Life elsewhere??? You didn't express an opinion....out of trillions and trillions of galaxies, stars, and planets, do you really think lil ole planet earth was alone selected to harbor a form of life? I don't consider this an important issue. I suspect life is pretty rare in the universe because there are so many things that would have to be just right for life to exist. space.com It's even possible we're the only life in the universe. But why should we care? Do you think the Creator cares about Earth and you personally? Sure. And I even think the things I posted about in my earlier post are rational reasons to think the universe is "rigged".