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To: tejek who wrote (340582)6/17/2007 8:42:02 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1571685
 
Re: So you're saying that if there was secession, Brussel's francophone suburbs would go to Flanders, is that correct?

Indeed, according to the Flemings' territorial overruling: it doesn't matter who the locals/inhabitants are or what language they speak, what matters is the soil, the territory they are dwelling on, and, as far as Brussels' suburbs are concerned, the territory is Flemish --Brussels is located in Flanders, period.

Re: How many km. is the Brabant Wallon from Brussels?

Below is a map of Vlaams Brabant. The white blank in the midst is Brussels, it's about 10 km wide. The Brabant Wallon --which is not pictured-- is actually adjacent to the southern border of Vlaams Brabant, which means that the shortest way from Brussels to Wallonia runs through Sint-Genesius-Rode (or nextdoor Hoeilaart), a Francophone suburb about 3 km wide:




To: tejek who wrote (340582)6/17/2007 8:56:46 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER  Respond to of 1571685
 
Re: Again, how serious is this talk of Flemish secession?

About as serious as that:

McKinsey CEO supports splitup of Belgium, resigns

Herman De Bode, McKinsey’s CEO in the Benelux countries (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg) was forced to resign last week. The 52-year old Mr De Bode, who is also the president of the Harvard Club of Belgium, had signed the so-called “Warande manifesto,” a text by a group of 50 businessmen and academics from Flanders, calling for Flemish independence from the multinational state of Belgium. The latter consists of 6 million Dutch-speakers in Flanders, its northern half that borders on the Netherlands, 4 million French-speakers in Wallonia, its southern half that borders on France, and almost 100,000 Germans along its eastern border with Germany. Its capital Brussels, which is also the capital of Flanders(*) and of the European Union, has a French-Dutch bilingual status. The Warande manifesto calls for the transformation of Brussels into a European district, after the example of Washington DC.

The Warande manifesto proposes transforming Belgium into two states, Flanders and Wallonia. It was published ten days ago by a group consisting of i.a. Remi Vermeiren, the former CEO of KBC Bank, one of Belgium’s major banks, Baron Hugo Vandamme, the former CEO of Barco and chairman of the board of Roularta Media Group, Professor Erik Suy, the former Deputy Secretary General of the United Nations, and various other prominent Flemings. None of its members are affiliated with any political party.

The group has calculated that an ever increasing amount of Flemish subsidies is flowing to the south each year (3.8 billion euros in 1990; 10.4 billion euros in 2003). This is bad for Flanders, which is overtaxed, and for Wallonia, which is growing accustomed to a situation of dependency. “Solidarity is a good thing,” Mr Vermeiren, the chairman of the group says, “but this is excessive. It allows Wallonia to maintain an unemployment rate of 20% while an additional 10% of the working population is employed as superfluous civil servants.”

The manifesto – basically a book of 252 pages replete with economic data, charts and graphs – caused indignation in Socialist-dominated Wallonia and among Belgium’s Francophone Brussels establishment. The Brussels newspaper Le Soir (26 November) called it “the book that will bury Belgium” and quoted a left-wing, post-modernist Flemish journalist who said the group “has no democratic legitimacy.” In La Libre Belgique (1 December) Tony Vandeputte, the former director of the Federation of Belgian Employers, wrote that the group consists of “nostalgic Flemish-nationalists who take advantage of every opportunity to promote their goal.” Last Friday the Belgian bishops issued a document saying that “if we do not succeed in maintaining a reasonable degree of solidarity between the North and the South in Belgium, we cannot expect solidarity on a larger, worldwide scale.”

Herman De Bode was forced to resign as CEO of McKinsey Benelux on Wednesday, following threats by Francophone Belgian clients of the consulting company, including the Walloon regional government, that they would take their business elsewhere if De Bode remained in function. Mr De Bode pointed out that he had signed the manifesto as a private citizen and as the president of the Brussels chapter of Voka, the organisation of Flemish employers. In a press release McKinsey stated that the company was not involved in the Warande group(**) and takes no position in the political debate about the future of Belgium.

Rudi De Kerpel, a 34-year old Flemish entrepreneur and the owner of several companies, who acts as spokesman of the Warande group, says that Mr. De Bode is the victim of a defamation campaign. “When one sees the slander, the pressure and blackmail that have led to his resignation, one understands why many Flemish captains of industry wait until they have retired before voicing their support for Flemish independence.”

published on Tuesday 13 December 2005 @ 22:47 CET

lvb.net

(*) To get the irony here, imagine the US establishment choosing French-speaking Montréal as the capital of the United States of America....

(**) De Warande is an exclusive, Flemish club-cum-think-tank located in Brussels:
dewarande.be