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To: epicure who wrote (234002)	6/22/2007 1:47:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

We call their methods "barbaric" because they are primitive and personal (and they are primitive and personal because of the asymmetry of warfare), but we see nothing barbaric in fire bombing, because it is more "impersonal" We only did the firebombing in the context of a total war, and we have had tremendous angst about that and about nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I cannot see that the Japanese have had similar angst about the Rape of Nanking, which wasn't even a military necessity. It wasn't "primitive and personal", btw. The Japanese soldiers were not out of control. The Rape of Nanking was the policy of the Japanese Army.

To: epicure who wrote (234002)	6/23/2007 10:35:45 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

The "civilized" and "barbarian" doesn't apply to the method of killing, it applies to the attitude to property and people. Libertarian is civilized, the rest is not. Hacking of heads is civilized if that's the method at hand to defend oneself against attack. Kidnapping journalists and New Zealanders building cellphone networks and hacking their heads off is barbarian. Catching the Beslan kidnappers and murderers and doing the same is not. What matters is the philosophical foundations of the processes. Those who enslave are barbarian, those defending self-determination are not. Mqurice